Brexit

[Quizzical Bob]

I never said that they interfered, merely that nearly all who have commented publicly have said that they would like the UK to remain. I don't blame them for that. Just stating something that has happened. They would desperately miss our 21 billion every year.

Where on earth do you get that figure from? Our payments are less than £10bn per annum as a result of which we get an extra £20bn of tax revenues.

We would certainly miss those.

[Manoverboard]

Withdrawl Bill could be re-opened .... just saying

[towny44]

Not sure any of our politicians claimed there was a place in hell reserved for EU leaders.

Jeremy Hunt likened the EU to the Soviet Union, to some members that is worse than hell.
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson compared the EU to Nazi Germany.

I was merely pointing out the insults were not one sided.

[towny44]

I never said that they interfered, merely that nearly all who have commented publicly have said that they would like the UK to remain. I don't blame them for that. Just stating something that has happened. They would desperately miss our 21 billion every year.

Where on earth do you get that figure from? Our payments are less than £10bn per annum as a result of which we get an extra £20bn of tax revenues.

We would certainly miss those.

....and we all know there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

[Quizzical Bob]

I never said that they interfered, merely that nearly all who have commented publicly have said that they would like the UK to remain. I don't blame them for that. Just stating something that has happened. They would desperately miss our 21 billion every year.

Where on earth do you get that figure from? Our payments are less than £10bn per annum as a result of which we get an extra £20bn of tax revenues.

We would certainly miss those.

....and we all know there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

You can refuse to believe any facts that you choose not to believe. But these are the truths. Ignore them at your cost (and mine).

[towny44]

Where on earth do you get that figure from? Our payments are less than £10bn per annum as a result of which we get an extra £20bn of tax revenues.

We would certainly miss those.

....and we all know there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

You can refuse to believe any facts that you choose not to believe. But these are the truths. Ignore them at your cost (and mine).

I think you are going to need to validate them so we can assess whether they are realistic and accurate, or just hopeful guesses by some europhile economist.

[Gill W]

Withdrawl Bill could be re-opened .... just saying

When did we start believing Andrea Leadsom?

Anyway, Bloomberg said that a German government spokesman quickly denied that Merkel would accept a backstop limit and Barnier reiterated on Tuesday that the divorce deal would not be reopened.

[towny44]

Withdrawl Bill could be re-opened .... just saying

When did we start believing Andrea Leadsom?

Anyway, Bloomberg said that a German government spokesman quickly denied that Merkel would accept a backstop limit and Barnier reiterated on Tuesday that the divorce deal would not be reopened.

Gill, surely you realise that ......just staying is only done as a wind up.

[Gill W]

....and we all know there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

You can refuse to believe any facts that you choose not to believe. But these are the truths. Ignore them at your cost (and mine).

I think you are going to need to validate them so we can assess whether they are realistic and accurate, or just hopeful guesses by some europhile economist.

Are you going to ask Barney to validate his figures?

[Gill W]

Withdrawl Bill could be re-opened .... just saying

When did we start believing Andrea Leadsom?

Anyway, Bloomberg said that a German government spokesman quickly denied that Merkel would accept a backstop limit and Barnier reiterated on Tuesday that the divorce deal would not be reopened.

Gill, surely you realise that ......just staying is only done as a wind up.

Many a truth spoken in jest - I know Manoverboard is still holding on tight to the belief that the EU will blink at the 11th hour, which must be tomorrow

[barney]

I never said that they interfered, merely that nearly all who have commented publicly have said that they would like the UK to remain. I don't blame them for that. Just stating something that has happened. They would desperately miss our 21 billion every year.

Where on earth do you get that figure from? Our payments are less than £10bn per annum as a result of which we get an extra £20bn of tax revenues.

We would certainly miss those.

My mistake Bob. I apologise.
After rebates it is a mere 13 billion of which nearly 9 billion is a deficit. (plus a 90 billion trade deficit)
I don't know for a fact that we get 20 billion in tax revenues but if we do, then that is really only 11 billion, isn't it?

What amazes me is how a minority seem content to keep chucking more and more money at this obviously failed political project, without questioning it.
Have a bit more dough that you can't account for !
Fill your boots on UK taxpayers money !

[towny44]

You can refuse to believe any facts that you choose not to believe. But these are the truths. Ignore them at your cost (and mine).

I think you are going to need to validate them so we can assess whether they are realistic and accurate, or just hopeful guesses by some europhile economist.

Are you going to ask Barney to validate his figures?

No I already knew they were wrong, and they are much easier to validate than Bob's will be.

[Manoverboard]

Many a truth spoken in jest - I know Manoverboard is still holding on tight to the belief that the EU will blink at the 11th hour, which must be tomorrow

I am indeed of the opinion, Gill, that the EU could agree to a change of direction re the backstop at the eleventh hour. It's timing will depend on any extension that is / is not agreed to of course.

ps …. you know me well enough to call me Moby …. just saying

[Gill W]

I think you are going to need to validate them so we can assess whether they are realistic and accurate, or just hopeful guesses by some europhile economist.

Are you going to ask Barney to validate his figures?

No I already knew they were wrong, and they are much easier to validate than Bob's will be.

I might be wrong, but I'm guessing you've already made a pre-judgement about what to accept.

Confirmation bias in action, but we can all be guilty of that

[Gill W]

Many a truth spoken in jest - I know Manoverboard is still holding on tight to the belief that the EU will blink at the 11th hour, which must be tomorrow

I am indeed of the opinion, Gill, that the EU could agree to a change of direction re the backstop at the eleventh hour. It's timing will depend on any extension that is / is not agreed to of course.

ps …. you know me well enough to call me Moby …. just saying

ok Moby!

Well, we could find out in the next few days, or we might find out nothing at all.

I keep changing my mind about whats going to happen

First I thought we'd leave on Friday on a 'no deal by accident' basis. Last night, I was thinking it would be a long extension. But today, Peston has suggested it might be a short extension after all (apparantly Macron is now keen on this idea).

Basically,no one seems to have a clue at this point!

[towny44]

Are you going to ask Barney to validate his figures?

No I already knew they were wrong, and they are much easier to validate than Bob's will be.

I might be wrong, but I'm guessing you've already made a pre-judgement about what to accept.

Confirmation bias in action, but we can all be guilty of that

I am awaiting Bob's validation and if he can prove his figures, to my satisfaction, I will accept his data.

[Onelife]

So, it looks like our EU masters are going to insist on a twelve-month extension with the proviso that we behave ourselves. This generous ‘none negotiable’ offer will no doubt come with many conditions, one of which will include an early get out clause costing us millions…. this will also be none ‘negotiable’, subject to and before second stage negotiations can take place.

Shame on all Remainer sabotours for putting us in this position.

Still loving Theresa xx

[Jack Staff]

Trezza could refuse the extension, revoke Article 50 and this Brexit fiasco could all be over in forty eight hours time. - Just sayin'

[johnds]

Barnier reiterated on Tuesday that the divorce deal would not be reopened.

There is no deal

There is a proposed treaty which was subject to ratification on both sides

One side has apparently ratified it, one side clearly hasn't

So there is no agreed "deal" or treaty.

That one side refuses unllaterally to further discuss this is I believe unreasonable and that will prevent agreement.

Those who prematurely took no deal off the table have seriously limited our ability to insist on change.

I don't want to leave on WTO terms I would much prefer agreemant but we are now fighting with one arm behind our back.

Sadly if we are forced to a longer extension we need to ensure that Teresa May takes no further part.

I really wonder what motivates her to keep going and suffer all the brickbats. I at least admire that she hasn't done a Cameron and said
"Sod it I'm off - you sort it out", but she should now realise that it is time to go.

[towny44]

There is maybe a light at the end of the tunnel for those wanting a peoples vote. If we are forced to take part in the EU elections maybe we could use that as a a referendum, only have 2 groups on the ballot, Brexit party and Remain party, winner takes all.

[Jack Staff]

There is maybe a light at the end of the tunnel for those wanting a peoples vote. If we are forced to take part in the EU elections maybe we could use that as a a referendum, only have 2 groups on the ballot, Brexit party and Remain party, winner takes all.

I don't need to be forced into democracy.

[towny44]

There is maybe a light at the end of the tunnel for those wanting a peoples vote. If we are forced to take part in the EU elections maybe we could use that as a a referendum, only have 2 groups on the ballot, Brexit party and Remain party, winner takes all.

I don't need to be forced into democracy.

Semantics Jack, I was merely following the media rhetoric nothing more, personally I am looking forward to the EU elections, are you?

[Jack Staff]

Semantics Jack, I was merely following the media rhetoric nothing more, personally I am looking forward to the EU elections, are you?

Very much so, remembering that right was supposed to have been taken away from me on 29th March.

[Manoverboard]

I will vote for the very first time in the EU elections … but only if I can identify a rock the boat ' Nigel ' mind-alike.

[Jack Staff]

I will vote for the very first time in the EU elections … but only if I can identify a rock the boat ' Nigel ' mind-alike.

You don't have to. EU elections are civilised, you only have to decide how far right you want to go...

Conservative, a little bit far right
Brexit, quite a bit far right
UKIP, totally bonkers far right

The d'Hondt system of proportional representation does the rest.