Brexit

[Gill W]

The anti democrats of Bideford took to the streets today in protest about the PM suspending Parliament by 4 or 5 days.

There was a good dozen of them, most with socialist workers posters.

I said to this guy that I thought they were anti capitalist EU.
He said that they were and supported Brexit but were anti Tory.

So, I'm as confused as them as to exactly what the protest was about.

As you constantly claim to be a democrat, I find your post astonishing.

Johnson is not 'suspending Parliament for 4 - 5 days'.

He is intending to Prorogue parliament for nearly 5 weeks.

To put this in context, in the last 7 years, the average length of proroguation of parliament has been 6.5 days, and that figure has been bumped up due to the 20 day proroguation in 2024.

Any right minded person, whatever their views on Brexit, must surely be raising their eyebrows at such a long proroguation at such an important time in our history, which is why all sorts of people took to the streets. Even if they couldn't express them selves very well, they felt that the shutting down of parliament is wrong.

I find it disturbing that a self described democrat such as yourself is so dismissive of people's legitimate concerns about this

Now we have the situation when Gove refuses to confirm that the govenrment would abide by legislation made by parliament.

If you are not concerned about what has happened in the last few days, there's no hope for you

[Manoverboard]

This mornings BBC News report says ….The Report

But when asked if the government would abide by legislation preventing a no-deal Brexit, Mr Gove, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "Let's see what the legislation says.

"You're asking me about a pig in a poke."

And …

" I will wait to see what legislation the opposition may try to bring forward."

Sounds eminently sensible to me.

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[barney]

Unless you are a serial bed wetter, then you'd think it's the end of the world as we know it..

People trying dirty tricks to stop democracy moaning about dirty tricks?

What goes round comes round.

[towny44]

Unless you are a serial bed wetter, then you'd think it's the end of the world as we know it..

People trying dirty tricks to stop democracy moaning about dirty tricks?

What goes round comes round.

David please please p!ease provide us with a like button.

[Ray Scully]

Unless you are a serial bed wetter …..

Nocturnal Enuresis, can affect up to 1 in 100 people.

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No need to shout old chap and ' backseat moderation ', for your information, is against the Forum Rules.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Agree 100% Barney. I would add that the period that parliament is shut will only be a few days longer than the party conference season when they all bug*er off to the seaside anyway. And follows their ludicrously long summer holiday. Which they didn't seem too bothered about. This wouldn't have come about at all if it wasn't for their devious scheming to try to overturn the Brexit referendum, despite an overwhelming majority of them being elected to their seats on manifestos pledging to deliver it. Go Bojo!

I think you are confusing prorogation with recess.

The two things are very different

Yes I know and no I'm not. The seriousness of the situation is the same. Suits them to scream when BoJo closes parliament. Not so keen to give up their jollies.

To be clear - again. I do not want a no deal. But I don't want no Brexit either. And I don't want the hands of the only person who now has a chance of negotiating the middle road to go into the ring with both hands tied behind his back by a bunch of dishonest MPs who say they want to "avoid no deal" when anyone can see they're thinking "avoid Brexit".

If the EU think sitting on their hands means Brexit is cancelled they'll be delighted. But never mind whether no deal hurts them or us more, it will hurt them enough. If the possibility is real they might just think seriously about it.

And I'll also say again. It's the same MPs squeaking about no deal and prorogation now who are the vast majority who voted against the only deal on the table three times. They caused this crisis.

[oldbluefox]

Agree 100% Barney. I would add that the period that parliament is shut will only be a few days longer than the party conference season when they all bug*er off to the seaside anyway. And follows their ludicrously long summer holiday. Which they didn't seem too bothered about. This wouldn't have come about at all if it wasn't for their devious scheming to try to overturn the Brexit referendum, despite an overwhelming majority of them being elected to their seats on manifestos pledging to deliver it. Go Bojo!

I think you are confusing prorogation with recess.

The two things are very different

Yes I know and no I'm not. The seriousness of the situation is the same. Suits them to scream when BoJo closes parliament. Not so keen to give up their jollies.

To be clear - again. I do not want a no deal. But I don't want no Brexit either. And I don't want the hands of the only person who now has a chance of negotiating the middle road to go into the ring with both hands tied behind his back by a bunch of dishonest MPs who say they want to "avoid no deal" when anyone can see they're thinking "avoid Brexit".

If the EU think sitting on their hands means Brexit is cancelled they'll be delighted. But never mind whether no deal hurts them or us more, it will hurt them enough. If the possibility is real they might just think seriously about it.

And I'll also say again. It's the same MPs squeaking about no deal and prorogation now who are the vast majority who voted against the only deal on the table three times. They caused this crisis.

[Manoverboard]

I repeat …. what echo chamber

[oldbluefox]

I don't hear any echo chamber. The Remoaners seem to know what we did and didn't vote for. Uncanny.

[johnds]

The anti democrats of Bideford took to the streets today in protest about the PM suspending Parliament by 4 or 5 days.

There was a good dozen of them, most with socialist workers posters.

I said to this guy that I thought they were anti capitalist EU.
He said that they were and supported Brexit but were anti Tory.

So, I'm as confused as them as to exactly what the protest was about.

As you constantly claim to be a democrat, I find your post astonishing.

Johnson is not 'suspending Parliament for 4 - 5 days'.

He is intending to Prorogue parliament for nearly 5 weeks.

To put this in context, in the last 7 years, the average length of proroguation of parliament has been 6.5 days, and that figure has been bumped up due to the 20 day proroguation in 2024.

Any right minded person, whatever their views on Brexit, must surely be raising their eyebrows at such a long proroguation at such an important time in our history, which is why all sorts of people took to the streets. Even if they couldn't express them selves very well, they felt that the shutting down of parliament is wrong.

I find it disturbing that a self described democrat such as yourself is so dismissive of people's legitimate concerns about this

Now we have the situation when Gove refuses to confirm that the govenrment would abide by legislation made by parliament.

If you are not concerned about what has happened in the last few days, there's no hope for you

You conveniently omit to mention that for the large majority of that time parliament would have been in recess on their jollies to conferences by the seaside (if that's where they are)

I note also that you caan now forsee the future (2024)

Of course which PM prorogued parliament for several weeks to avoid the cash for questions scandal ? Oh yes, John Major the very same John Major who is now joining Gina Miller's protest. Given his track record she needs to be careful who she gets close to

[Gill W]

Recess and proroguation are not the same.

I'd normally suggest that you use Google to get more information, but I know that you won't bother.

I'm well aware of Major's long proroguation - that wasn't right then, just the same as the long proroguation isn't right now.

At least the future of the country wasn't at stake during Major's proroguation.

Anyway, I'm off on holiday now, so don't talk about me behind my back.

[oldbluefox]

Interesting interview with an economist from the Deutsche Bank.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Perhaps we should make him the next Governor of the Bank of England.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I'm well aware of Major's long proroguation - that wasn't right then, just the same as the long proroguation isn't right now.

Along with the sheer hypocrisy of the man, he has a big responsibility for causing the problem we now face.

At least the future of the country wasn't at stake during Major's proroguation.

Maybe not, but it was at stake when the people who've caused the current crisis and bleating about it were playing their silly games to try to stop Brexit.

If every politician had got behind the result of the referendum, as they voted to do before it happened (though they expected a different answer because it's so long since they listened to anyone outside of Greater London), the EU would have known we were serious and would have negotiated a smooth exit instead of offering terms they know would be difficult and expecting us to change our minds.

Anyway, I'm off on holiday now.

Enjoy it.

[johnds]

Recess and proroguation are not the same.

I'd normally suggest that you use Google to get more information, but I know that you won't bother.

I'm well aware of Major's long proroguation - that wasn't right then, just the same as the long proroguation isn't right now.

At least the future of the country wasn't at stake during Major's proroguation.

Anyway, I'm off on holiday now, so don't talk about me behind my back.

Oh how patronising

[barney]

Following on from our roll over trade deal with South Korea, my sister in law told me over the weekend that they are currently working on roll over deals with Japan and Canada.

Hang on, I said.
They told us that this could not happen.

Well, it is according to her, and now.

[barney]

Recess and proroguation are not the same.

I'd normally suggest that you use Google to get more information, but I know that you won't bother.

I'm well aware of Major's long proroguation - that wasn't right then, just the same as the long proroguation isn't right now.

At least the future of the country wasn't at stake during Major's proroguation.

Anyway, I'm off on holiday now, so don't talk about me behind my back.

Oh how patronising

Nothing wrong with being a bit patronising John.
I specialise in it.

[Stephen]

I'm warming to him.

I don't understand what the problem is. He's trying to do a deal with Brussels, but if they aren't willing to play ball then we're coming out on the 31st. End of.



At least he's sticking to his guns.

[barney]

The bed has just got a little wetter

[Stephen]

The bed has just got a little wetter

You do know tenner pants for men are available without prescription barney........so I believe

[screwy]

I'm warming to him.

I don't understand what the problem is. He's trying to do a deal with Brussels, but if they aren't willing to play ball then we're coming out on the 31st. End of.



At least he's sticking to his guns.

I hope your right but it seems the anti democratic parliamentarians are going to push it all the way in which case I hope the electorate remember come election time. Bloody disgraceful.

[Stephen]

I'm warming to him.

I don't understand what the problem is. He's trying to do a deal with Brussels, but if they aren't willing to play ball then we're coming out on the 31st. End of.



At least he's sticking to his guns.

I hope your right but it seems the anti democratic parliamentarians are going to push it all the way in which case I hope the electorate remember come election time. Bloody disgraceful.

....of the highest order.

[oldbluefox]

"This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide".

It has taken three years to get this far in which time the Remainers have tried every trick in the book to overturn the outcome. Hopefully we will leave on October 31st and then we can get back to sorting out schools, the NHS, crime, social care etc. At last we seem to have a leader who says what he means, and I trust does what he says. And if that means draining the swamp of all those MPs who have dragged their heels and opposed Brexit all along the way then so be it.

[barney]

It was noticeable that the PM said quite clearly that He would not ask for any extension.
So, if parliament votes to rule out no deal and ask to extend again, then Johnson will not do it.

What is then left.
Only a GE in my opinion.

Who will win that?
No idea.

[towny44]

"This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide".

It has taken three years to get this far in which time the Remainers have tried every trick in the book to overturn the outcome. Hopefully we will leave on October 31st and then we can get back to sorting out schools, the NHS, crime, social care etc. At last we seem to have a leader who says what he means, and I trust does what he says. And if that means draining the swamp of all those MPs who have dragged their heels and opposed Brexit all along the way then so be it.

Where should we excommunicate them to. how about Brussels?