Impressive list of Remainers who lost their seats:
Luciana Berger
Sam Gyimah
Sara Wollaston
Chuka Umunna
Angela Smith
Antoinette Sandbach
David Gauke
Anne Milton
plus those already mentioned. These defected or were removed to other parties to fight against Brexit. Looks like they have got their comeuppance.
Don’t be ridiculous Foxy.
They all spoke for the majority.
At least one issue has been resolved.
Europe deffo don't want the Scots to become part of the EU and even if they did the Spanish would torpedo the idea unless the Catalans also get recognition within the EU as a separate country.
Sturgeon doesn't have a clue what would happen post independence. In a recent interview she seemed to think everything would stay the same as far as currency trade borders etc were concerned. She foresaw no problem in joining the EU. I hope the Scots have thought it through more than their SNP leaders.
Hope you don't choke on your breakfasts but l would like to put on record my thanks to Theresa May for her part in getting Brexit done!
She did the necessary donkey work which enabled Boris to finish the job imo.
However I wonder if MG had not stabbed him in the back if Boris might have become PM in 2016, in which case we might already have left and be well on the way to an EU free trade deal.
Obviously the electorate are stupid and have been misled by Tory lies and propaganda and the only proper thing to do is immediately have another General Election to enable the Remainer parties to win, followed of course by a second referendum
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Hope you don't choke on your breakfasts but l would like to put on record my thanks to Theresa May for her part in getting Brexit done!
She did the necessary donkey work which enabled Boris to finish the job imo.
However I wonder if MG had not stabbed him in the back if Boris might have become PM in 2016, in which case we might already have left and be well on the way to an EU free trade deal.
I think it is over simplifying the situation to say that this General Election was only about Brexit and that it was some sort of 'Peoples Vote'. General Elections are never binary and involve multiple issues.
The Conservatives only increased their share of the vote by a small percentage. The real story is that Labour's vote completely fell away. Corbyn has to carry the can for this. People thought that Johnson was the lesser of two evils. Even the promise of free stuff and the proposed bung to the Waspis wasn't enough to convince people as they couldn't see how it could ever by paid for, and Corbyn's on the fence stance regarding Brexit was a turn off to both sides. If Corbyn was a serious leader, he'd stand down now. But the man moves at the pace of a snail. No doubt he is planning to make plans to step down. I'm not sure that Labour have realised that they need to return to a more central position - I wouldn't be at all surprised if the new leader is another far left type. There are some talented people in the ranks of Labour, but, unless these more moderate people get into leading positions, Labour will be toast throughout the 20's and into the 30's.
Jo Swinson has been a totally ineffective leader as well. It's ironic that she was one of the prime movers for this election, and she ended up losing her seat. The LibDem campaign wasn't pitched right, and Swinson wasn't very likeable.
So, we are left with Johnson.
This time, one thing is for certain. People definitely knew what they were voting for. Anyone who voted Conservative has allowed a man who has been exposed as a liar on multiple occasions to become Prime Minister. A man who is complicit in supressing the report on Russian involvement in the Referendum. (the report will probably now never been seen in public). A man whose conduct in public life is under question due to the Arcuri allegations. A man who would rather hide in a fridge than face reporters. I could go on, but I won't. Suffice it to say, all this is known, and people didn't care.
I've come to the conclusion that the British public like simple soundbites. 'Get Brexit done' seems to have convinced some people. I'm sure that I don't need to tell you that Brexit is still very far from done. On the 31st of January, Brexit might actually start, but we still have the trade agreement to negotiate. When you consider that the same people that told us it was going to be the easiest deal in history are that same people who are telling us that the trade agreement is going to be sorted out in a year..... I will take that with a pinch of salt. I think some people are going to be very shocked when Brexit doesn't suddenly go away, never to be spoken of again.
One positive - the blame game can now stop. What happens next is down to Johnson and his government. If people don't like what happens next, it's tough. Johnson has the mandate.
As for myself, I have a sort of fatalistic acceptance about it all. It is what it is.
Hope you don't choke on your breakfasts but l would like to put on record my thanks to Theresa May for her part in getting Brexit done!
She did the necessary donkey work which enabled Boris to finish the job imo.
However I wonder if MG had not stabbed him in the back if Boris might have become PM in 2016, in which case we might already have left and be well on the way to an EU free trade deal.
I doubt very much that the Brexit process would have moved any quicker, what with the EU being told Brexit would never happen and the saboteurs in Westminster doing everything possible to make sure it didn't... Brexit was always going to be a protracted affair while the likes of Hammond/Clarke & Co were conspiring to derail the whole process.
Boris should consider himself lucky because had he taken over in 2016 it would have been he who got it in the back not Theresa May imo
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There are a number of politicians left out in the political wilderness tonight one of which l do have sympathy for.....Caroline Flint (Don Valley)
I hope she finds her way back into politics.....maybe as a future conservative candidate?
No, I'm not turning soft l just like MP'S with integrity.
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Just watching the news and still the opposition can't accept the result. For gods sake let it go and let's move forward.
The message about moving forward is basically what I said on the other thread but nobody seems to want to reply.
Moving on involves all of us. So far, I haven’t seen any indication that anybody on this thread, apart from me, is willing to move on.
Posts continue in the same tone and language as the last 4 years. AS Stephen says, time to let it go and move forward - are you all willing to take that step on the forum?
There are a number of politicians left out in the political wilderness tonight one of which l do have sympathy for.....Caroline Flint (Don Valley)
I hope she finds her way back into politics.....maybe as a future conservative candidate?
No, I'm not turning soft l just like MP'S with integrity.
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