Current Affairs

[Manoverboard]

59 years. 1961.

Well, fancy that heavens above
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[Mervyn and Trish]

Seems like yesterday.....

[Gill W]

I'm really going to have to let you guys get on with it if George Soros is being dragged out.

The only time I every hear that bloke's name mentioned or alluded to is on this forum - I don't see this weird obsession anywhere else,

Might that be because you tend to follow remainers on twitter, who probably revere Soros because he was their paymaster genera?

I'm going out for the day tomorrow, so I'll leave you all to have a good old moan about George Soros, Dominic Grieve and anybody else you can think of. Get it all out of your system.

Then on Friday, I'll report back on what it's like getting further out into the world (well, Rye and Hastings at least)

Have fun

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You know, sometimes I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. I'm sure I've said several times that I look at tweets from all sorts of people, not just people who I follow.

I can safely say that can't even remember the last time I saw a tweet about George Soros from people who discuss UK politics - whether left, right, remain or leave.

I've just searched his name and it seems US based conspiracy theory types have a bee in their bonnet about him, so it's them and you chaps who seem keen to talk about him.

I don't have any interest in him myself. To be honest, I may never have heard of him if it hadn't been for this forum.

[Onelife]

Seems like yesterday.....

Give or take a year

[oldbluefox]

I don't have any interest in him myself. To be honest, I may never have heard of him if it hadn't been for this forum.

Quite surprised really considering what an ardent Remainer you are. It was George Soros who funded, amongst other things, Best for Britain which was launched on 26th April 2017 to stop Brexit and continue UK membership of the EU, and also European Movement UK which campaigns for a close relationship with the EU. I would have thought most Remainers would know about George Soros and his funding of the Remain project.

[Gill W]

I don't have any interest in him myself. To be honest, I may never have heard of him if it hadn't been for this forum.

Quite surprised really considering what an ardent Remainer you are. It was George Soros who funded, amongst other things, Best for Britain which was launched on 26th April 2017 to stop Brexit and continue UK membership of the EU, and also European Movement UK which campaigns for a close relationship with the EU. I would have thought most Remainers would know about George Soros and his funding of the Remain project.

I think perhaps you over estimate the interest people generally have in him.

But there’s some people in America who would love to chat about him, I can put you in touch if you like !

[Onelife]

There is no doubt in my mind that this report was suppressed for no other reason than party political advantage, but in the interest of fair politics I’m happy to turn a blind eye because the labour party and its conspirators have done more damage to our political system in 12 months than what any Russia spy has done in the past 60 years.

How long ago was Profumo ?

If the likes of Christine Keeler were perks of the job then there must have been lots of spy's around at that time...only curious but how do you become a spy?

[oldbluefox]

You mean one Barack Obama who tried to influence the Remain vote. Foreign interference in our democracy? Tut! Tut!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Come on Foxy. Keep up. Foreigners who tried to influence us to Remain don't count. Only those who tried to influence us to Leave. It's entirely different.

[oldbluefox]

Come on Foxy. Keep up. Foreigners who tried to influence us to Remain don't count. Only those who tried to influence us to Leave. It's entirely different.

Not my fault Merv. Gill told me about people in America and Obama came to mind. He's a great man. Within weeks we went from the back of the queue to the front!!!

[Manoverboard]

If the likes of Christine Keeler were perks of the job then there must have been lots of spy's around at that time...only curious but how do you become a spy?

There are four steps ;

1. Learn to play ' I spy with my little eye '
2. Buy the series of I-Spy Books
3. Watch all the James Bond Movies
4. Join the Foreign Office amd tell them you have a preference for Russian mince pies.

Job done

[Onelife]

If the likes of Christine Keeler were perks of the job then there must have been lots of spy's around at that time...only curious but how do you become a spy?

There are four steps ;

1. Learn to play ' I spy with my little eye '
2. Buy the series of I-Spy Books
3. Watch all the James Bond Movies
4. Join the Foreign Office amd tell them you have a preference for Russian mince pies.

Job done

Thanks Mob.

Agent Squeaky!

[Mervyn and Trish]

So Bojo has gone to Scotland and the critics are struggling to decide which argument to criticise him with.

They are wavering between he shouldn't have gone at all because it is a political stunt to fight independence and he should have gone earlier.

On the latter they say he hasn't visited since the election. To which I would respond that he hasn't been to many places since then because:

a) He was ill with Covid and out of action for weeks
b) He's been a bit busy with Covid and Brexit
c) Scotland would have been mightily pissed off if he'd ignored both his own and Mrs Krankie's rules against travel to go during the lockdown.

But hey ho. Let's bash Bojo anyway.

On the plus side I did hear a critic of Mrs Krankie, who has a higher rating in polls than Bojo on the handling of Covid, today saying that actually she's done nothing at all other than wait to see what Bojo announces and then say she's doing it a week earlier or a week later, just to be different.

[Mervyn and Trish]

In other news that Bojo critics won't be shouting about, the Covid Symptom Study, the people behind the Zoe App, which currently has over 4,000,000 people, including us, submitting data daily, has done an analysis on the impact of temperature on the virus.

They have found that there is a 15% drop in mortality for every 1 degree C rise in temperature.

So, taking April, for example, London average temperature 13C. Paris 17C. Madrid 19C. Rome 19C.

Any clues there as to why we had more deaths than France, Spain or Italy?

I'm now standing by for that research to be dismissed as less relevant than Dominic Cummings being a p***ock.

[Manoverboard]

There is also a large question mark over the success or otherwise of the contact tracing app in Germany.

[Happydays]

Merv, That's exactly what she has done and because she can;) not an original thought in her head (or SNP) Krankie by name Krankie by nature

[oldbluefox]

To be fair to her:
:she did give things a different name just to show she wasn't following
:she cut her own hair throughout the pandemic (something Bojo didn't achieve!!)
:she thinks we are all fools if we believe that.

[towny44]

In other news that Bojo critics won't be shouting about, the Covid Symptom Study, the people behind the Zoe App, which currently has over 4,000,000 people, including us, submitting data daily, has done an analysis on the impact of temperature on the virus.

They have found that there is a 15% drop in mortality for every 1 degree C rise in temperature.

So, taking April, for example, London average temperature 13C. Paris 17C. Madrid 19C. Rome 19C.

Any clues there as to why we had more deaths than France, Spain or Italy?

I'm now standing by for that research to be dismissed as less relevant than Dominic Cummings being a p***ock.

We are still ha ing many more daily deaths than the other European countries did at a similar stage in the pandemic. Surely that cannot still be attributed to any supposed delay in the lockdown, or in the NHS being overwhelmed and struggling to cope. It seems more likely to be due to the way we collect our death statistics, the underlying health of the population, our higher BAME population and even possibly in the treatment regimes that we are following. I wonder if we will ever find out, and even if we do no doubt it will still be the govts fault.

[barney]

I was listening to LBC this morning and they were discussing Scotland’s independence.
It was an interesting phone in but there wasn’t a single call that I heard coming from England.
All the calls came from Scotland.
That told me that most English don’t seem to care either way.

My personal opinion is that being a democrat, no country should be held into a union if the majority wish to leave.
The U.K. union has stood for years but that doesn’t mean that it always should.

[barney]

In other news that Bojo critics won't be shouting about, the Covid Symptom Study, the people behind the Zoe App, which currently has over 4,000,000 people, including us, submitting data daily, has done an analysis on the impact of temperature on the virus.

They have found that there is a 15% drop in mortality for every 1 degree C rise in temperature.

So, taking April, for example, London average temperature 13C. Paris 17C. Madrid 19C. Rome 19C.

Any clues there as to why we had more deaths than France, Spain or Italy?

I'm now standing by for that research to be dismissed as less relevant than Dominic Cummings being a p***ock.

We are still ha ing many more daily deaths than the other European countries did at a similar stage in the pandemic. Surely that cannot still be attributed to any supposed delay in the lockdown, or in the NHS being overwhelmed and struggling to cope. It seems more likely to be due to the way we collect our death statistics, the underlying health of the population, our higher BAME population and even possibly in the treatment regimes that we are following. I wonder if we will ever find out, and even if we do no doubt it will still be the govts fault.

As I’ve said from day one John.
It’s simply not logical that U.K. based Indians are more likely to die than India based Indians.
The methods of recording vary enormously.
Just look at the world wide infections and compare to the countries death rate.

[towny44]

In other news that Bojo critics won't be shouting about, the Covid Symptom Study, the people behind the Zoe App, which currently has over 4,000,000 people, including us, submitting data daily, has done an analysis on the impact of temperature on the virus.

They have found that there is a 15% drop in mortality for every 1 degree C rise in temperature.

So, taking April, for example, London average temperature 13C. Paris 17C. Madrid 19C. Rome 19C.

Any clues there as to why we had more deaths than France, Spain or Italy?

I'm now standing by for that research to be dismissed as less relevant than Dominic Cummings being a p***ock.

We are still ha ing many more daily deaths than the other European countries did at a similar stage in the pandemic. Surely that cannot still be attributed to any supposed delay in the lockdown, or in the NHS being overwhelmed and struggling to cope. It seems more likely to be due to the way we collect our death statistics, the underlying health of the population, our higher BAME population and even possibly in the treatment regimes that we are following. I wonder if we will ever find out, and even if we do no doubt it will still be the govts fault.

As I’ve said from day one John.
It’s simply not logical that U.K. based Indians are more likely to die than India based Indians.
The methods of recording vary enormously.
Just look at the world wide infections and compare to the countries death rate.

They might be if the Zoe app temp data is correct.

[towny44]

I have just been comparing our worldometers covid data against the USA, whose track record on speedy responses to the covid crises is no better than ours.
This data proves nothing but it does raise lots of questions about why we have such a lousy death rate compared to most other countries.
Total pop. US 331million......UK 68 million ratio 4.87
No of tests US 50 mill... UK 13.75 mill ratio 3.64
No of cases US 4 mill...UK 296400 ratio 13.49
No of deaths US 145,500 UK 45500 ratio 3.2
No od deaths per mill US 670 UK 670 ratio o.66

The 2 that stand out as wildly different are the cases with the US having 13.5 times more than the UK, and the deaths per milion where we are 50% higher than the USA. Unless there are thousands of murdering nurses in the NHS applying their own deadly euthanasia then these figures just do not ring true to me.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think a lot is in how we record deaths and what we put on certificates.

[Manoverboard]

I think a lot is in how we record deaths and what we put on certificates.

Exactly ...

A million years ago I posted about the brother of a chum who died of cancer but his death certificate stated Covid19, if this is replicated throughout the NHS then the figures will of course be grossly distorted. In his case he died ' with ' rather than 'of ' the virus.

[Onelife]

I can understand that the government needs to get the economy going again but l fail to see what bennifit there is to this country in flying holiday makers to holiday destinations with increasing infection rates....l can't see that this move will aleviate pressure off the airlines because l don't think the numbers will be there to make it viable.

Can someone enlighten me as l can't see the logic behind this.