Covid vaccine

[Onelife]

We have a friend who is an administrator in the east Lancs NHS trust, she told us there are approximately 65000 nhs staff unvaccinated.!

When you consider all the different departments working within the NHS it probably only amounts to three or four in each trust…. easy solution…. Sack the lot of them for ethical irresponsibility.

I’m actually surprised that it doesn’t contravene the NHS duty of care code.
Similarly with care homes.
We have to jump through so many hoops to visit Mum while they had staff who were unvaccinated.

If it wasn’t so heartbreakingly serious it would be laughable how these people are still working for the NHS.

[Onelife]

Our friend also said that a lot of them are junior doctors.!

The problem is you can’t just sack them because there are no ready replacements.

If the truth be known they have probably been/are responsible for more deaths than they have saved?

[screwy]

Father in Law went in hospital last November, tested negative , 5 days later later was positive, died 4 days later.! Now hw had'nt left the house for months and the family were all negative, Makes you wonder.

[Meg 50]

if it is compulsory for NHS staff to be vaccinated against hepatitis - why can't it be compulsory for Covid?

[Meg 50]

sorry to hear about Father in law

[towny44]

if it is compulsory for NHS staff to be vaccinated against hepatitis - why can't it be compulsory for Covid?

I thought it was going be in April?

[Kendhni]

if it is compulsory for NHS staff to be vaccinated against hepatitis - why can't it be compulsory for Covid?

The company I work for has said that all staff must be fully vaccinated except for religious or medical reasons (evidence required). Since we are health related our CEO has made it clear you either believe in the science or you don't, and if you don't then you are not a good fit for the company. Several have already left.

Time the NHS turned unvaccinated people away, tell them to go home and let the family look after them, there are others far more deserving of the resources the NHS has. As one doctor said, by the time the unvaccinated are admitted to hospital they are usually begging for the vaccine ... but it is too late by then.

[david63]

A bit on the news tonight - in Australia they are discussing that the unvaccinated will have to pay for Covid treatment in hospital

[Stephen]

A bit on the news tonight - in Australia they are discussing that the unvaccinated will have to pay for Covid treatment in hospital

I like the idea, but it would be interesting to know how they would get the money, especially from those that cannot afford it. You can't really say to someone who is being brought into hospital very unwell 'can we see your credit card first'......or can you?

[Kendhni]

Why not? In America there is basic treatment under MediCare and many clinics/hospitals employ Patient Liaison Officers to work out payment plans with those who may not be able to afford it. In the case of COVID vaccines though people have been given the opportunity to get a vaccination, if they choose not to take it then they should pay (limited medical reasons excluded).

[Quizzical Bob]

We should introduce Covid passports for entry into hospitals.

[Manoverboard]

... and Care Homes

[Onelife]

...and Shropshire

[Whynd1]

When I visited my mum yesterday in her care home the entry rules were very strict.
Lateral flow test result must be shown,temperature taken.
Full ppe to be worn and p,ease ait away from mum and observe the 2m rule.

Still we had a lovely time.
Lindsey

Ps it has been a herculean task to get my 94 year old father his booster jab. He lives in supported accommodation and is classed as independent. Had to fill a form in 4 weeks ago for a home booster jab. On the list nut no one ccould tell us when his area would be done. Then out of the blue a booster appointment at the vaccination centre. For the next morning, in the end my brother drove down with my nephew from Wiltshire ( he had dads wheelchair for repair) and between them managed to get him boosted. Then that evening dad had a fall, 7hr wait for the ambulance. In the end he managed to get himself up off the floor and the paramedic said he wouldn't need go to hospital.
What a week.

[barney]

Same with us Lindsey.
A lft outside of the care home under observation.
Then full ppe including mask, apron and gloves.
Then no touching and keeping at a distance while being supervised by a care worker that we’ve never seen before.
Just to improve the experience, we were handed a letter on departure telling us that the fees were rising in the new year.
Mum only has about a year left of funds in her bank and the ‘care’ home will give no guarantee that she can remain there when the dough is all gone.
It’s a national disgrace in my opinion.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Same with us Lindsey.
A lft outside of the care home under observation.
Then full ppe including mask, apron and gloves.
Then no touching and keeping at a distance while being supervised by a care worker that we’ve never seen before.
Just to improve the experience, we were handed a letter on departure telling us that the fees were rising in the new year.
Mum only has about a year left of funds in her bank and the ‘care’ home will give no guarantee that she can remain there when the dough is all gone.
It’s a national disgrace in my opinion.

It certainly is. My MIL had to sell her house to fund her own care at the same time as paying tax on her occupational pension.

[oldbluefox]

Same with us Lindsey.
A lft outside of the care home under observation.
Then full ppe including mask, apron and gloves.
Then no touching and keeping at a distance while being supervised by a care worker that we’ve never seen before.
Just to improve the experience, we were handed a letter on departure telling us that the fees were rising in the new year.
Mum only has about a year left of funds in her bank and the ‘care’ home will give no guarantee that she can remain there when the dough is all gone.
It’s a national disgrace in my opinion.

Absolutely.
My mother went into a care home which wiped out all of her savings and most of the capital from the sale of her house. If the money had run out we were told the state would pay part of the bill and we would have to make up the shortfall.
What we felt was particularly distasteful was the fact that because she had been careful throughout her life and had savings, those who had spent their money having a good time got their care paid for and more than likely my mother was subsidising their care as well as her own. Much as I tried the care home would never disclose how much they were paying compared to mother and were unable to justify it.
It's an appalling situation.

[Onelife]

Same with us Lindsey.
A lft outside of the care home under observation.
Then full ppe including mask, apron and gloves.
Then no touching and keeping at a distance while being supervised by a care worker that we’ve never seen before.
Just to improve the experience, we were handed a letter on departure telling us that the fees were rising in the new year.
Mum only has about a year left of funds in her bank and the ‘care’ home will give no guarantee that she can remain there when the dough is all gone.
It’s a national disgrace in my opinion.

Hi Barney…. Not a nice predicament for you or indeed your mother to find yourselves in, and yes, it is a national disgrace.

I can tell you another national disgrace…. there is a sliding scale of charges for nursing home residents depending on what the manager thinks the prospective resident can pay. I can’t say this happens in all nursing homes but I can assure you that it happens in a lot of cases. The aim of private nursing homes to have full bed occupancy and the sliding scale is there to ensure this happens.

Some would say it makes good business sence, I think it’s a disgraceful practise.

[Onelife]

Same with us Lindsey.

Absolutely.
My mother went into a care home which wiped out all of her savings and most of the capital from the sale of her house. If the money had run out we were told the state would pay part of the bill and we would have to make up the shortfall.
What we felt was particularly distasteful was the fact that because she had been careful throughout her life and had savings, those who had spent their money having a good time got their care paid for and more than likely my mother was subsidising their care as well as her own. Much as I tried the care home would never disclose how much they were paying compared to mother and were unable to justify it.
It's an appalling situation.

It is indeed Foxy

[Whynd1]

Dad pays nearly £1500 per month for his care and then he pays mums care homes minus her pension and nursing care. When he has to go into a nursing home he will have to sell the apartment which is in joint names. Then they will both bepaying full costs. Wont take long before they run through all their savings etc.

Hey ho.

[oldbluefox]

That's a shocking amount of money.
To my mind it's immoral that those who have worked hard and been prudent with their money and always lived within their means should be made to subsidise others who have "had a blast and spent up". What incentive is there to live within your means and take responsibility for your own care when you know they will take it all off you?
By all means pay your own fair share.