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Bensham33 wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 13:05
Let's face it the entire Government is totally and completely incompetent from top to bottom. Time for a General Election I think, but of course we won't get one because the Tories are only interested in saving their own butts, they couldn't care less about the country.

Give Sir Keir and the Labour Party a chance, they can't do any worse than this lot.
While I agree with you mate, there is no way that the Tories or any other party would call a snap election while in power.
Oh hang on !
I’ve just remembered.
Teresa May did …… and lost her majority 😂

That’s why they won’t 😂
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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 11:13
I agree 100% he needed to go, and I am also 100% opposed to bullying. There is no excuse.

I just have a little niggle in my mind, not just about this case, but others too.

The Civil Servant who claims they were told to jump out of the window says they mentioned it to HR but did not take the concern through the formal complaints process that exists. Instead they went to the media. That seems to be a common theme at the moment. I repeat, I think Williamson is in the wrong here, but as my Mum said two wrongs don't make a right. And for me, using the media, rather than the proper process, to try to hound someone out of a job is also bullying.
Hi Sir Merv, whilst I agree with what you are saying, I think it is a bit more complicated than taking the official complainant route, Whistle blowers or complainants rarely get treated fairly by doing the right thing… my wife can testify to this, especially so if the person you are complaining about is in senior management or in this case a Minister with the ability to make your life hell. I’m not suggesting that Wendy Morton was in this position but I can see how a few victims in lesser positions could use the media as a way of bringing a bully to task…” what goes around comes around” when you know the other option will make your life hell.
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Bensham33 wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 13:05
Let's face it the entire Government is totally and completely incompetent from top to bottom. Time for a General Election I think, but of course we won't get one because the Tories are only interested in saving their own butts, they couldn't care less about the country.

Give Sir Keir and the Labour Party a chance, they can't do any worse than this lot.
I really do not know why Labour would even want to take on the mess that has been created ... it is going to take 1-2 parliamentary terms to put us back on the road to recovery, and that assumes the right actions are taken next week. The electorate are incredibly fickle so in 4 years time, irrespective of who is in power, it will be them that are held responsible if significant improvements are not seen.

Sunak's honeymoon period ends next week when he has to reveal his hand and actually deliver some policies. You can't really make any judgement call until then.


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oldbluefox wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 13:21
In which ways do you think the Labour Party would be any better than the Tories? So far I haven't heard anything from them to think they might deserve my vote. I look at the Shadow Cabinet which fills me with dread because I wouldn't trust any one of them.
In answer to your question I don't know that Labour would be any better than the Tories, that remains to be seen. All I know is they couldn't do any worse and that they deserve a chance.
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Bensham33 wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 14:11
oldbluefox wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 13:21
In which ways do you think the Labour Party would be any better than the Tories? So far I haven't heard anything from them to think they might deserve my vote. I look at the Shadow Cabinet which fills me with dread because I wouldn't trust any one of them.
In answer to your question I don't know that Labour would be any better than the Tories, that remains to be seen. All I know is they couldn't do any worse and that they deserve a chance.
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Kendhni wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 13:50
Bensham33 wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 13:05
Let's face it the entire Government is totally and completely incompetent from top to bottom. Time for a General Election I think, but of course we

Sunak's honeymoon period ends next week when he has to reveal his hand and actually deliver some policies. You can't really make any judgement call until then.
What we do know however is that whatever Sunak’s budget revels none of it will live up to the labour party economic plan, whatever that is?

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The constant calls for an election now from Labour tell me one thing.

They know their best chance of winning - pretty much a dead cert - is now.

But they also know that there's a chance over the next two years that the international situation will improve and the Tories will get their act together and the election outcome could be different - if not in who wins but certainly in size of majority. That's why they are scared to wait.

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Onelife wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 14:24
What we do know however is that whatever Sunak’s budget revels none of it will live up to the labour party economic plan, whatever that is?
That is known as the joys of being in opposition ... they do not have to reveal their hand, and can therefore champion everybody in society without having to select winners and losers. I have always said I would prefer to see a collaborative style of government, but that is not what we have.

For me the biggest criticism will come if he thinks he can give a broad sweeping inflationary payrises to the bone idle, feckless, unemployable and economically inactive, without also providing equivalent inflationary benefit to the workforce. Why should the workforce have to fund pay rises for others when the majority of them will not be getting inflationary pay rises? If he fails to recognise those that keep this country running then he will get what he deserves ... strikes, the loss of billions in revenue and even more inflationary pressure!
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Kendhni wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 15:23

For me the biggest criticism will come if he thinks he can give a broad sweeping inflationary payrises to the bone idle, feckless, unemployable and economically inactive, without also providing equivalent inflationary benefit to the workforce. Why should the workforce have to fund pay rises for others when the majority of them will not be getting inflationary pay rises? If he fails to recognise those that keep this country running then he will get what he deserves ... strikes, the loss of billions in revenue and even more inflationary pressure!
Absolutely but listening to the opposition party they appear to be sympathetic to anyone and everyone who is looking to get more money.
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Bensham33 wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 14:11
oldbluefox wrote: 09 Nov 2022, 13:21
In which ways do you think the Labour Party would be any better than the Tories? So far I haven't heard anything from them to think they might deserve my vote. I look at the Shadow Cabinet which fills me with dread because I wouldn't trust any one of them.
In answer to your question I don't know that Labour would be any better than the Tories, that remains to be seen. All I know is they couldn't do any worse and that they deserve a chance.
You don't think that faced with Covid and the fallout from the Ukraine conflict that any UK govt would find themselves with the same problems?
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I see Charles and Camilla had a lucky escape with eggs being thrown at them yesterday…. the perpetrator should be sentenced to 2 years hard target practise :sarcasm: :angel:

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Security forces were scrambled.

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The head of Security being Sue Flait
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Terrible yolks around here.
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Perp should be put in Stocks and have eggs thrown at him.! Hard boiled.
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Comedi-hens.?

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I noticed Charlie and Camilla barely flinched but the lady in uniform to the right of Charlie hid behind him. :)

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Kendhni wrote: 10 Nov 2022, 17:51
I noticed Charlie and Camilla barely flinched but the lady in uniform to the right of Charlie hid behind him. :)
I’m presuming it’s because he’s used to having egg on his face :)

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Maybe it was meant as a bit of performance art answering the question as to why the proverbial gallus gallus domesticus crossed the road?

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Kendhni wrote: 10 Nov 2022, 18:10
Maybe it was meant as a bit of performance art answering the question as to why the proverbial gallus gallus domesticus crossed the road?
Cluck! Cluck! :)

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We should have saved all these puns till Fry-day. :)

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Onelife wrote: 10 Nov 2022, 18:39
We should have saved all these puns till Fry-day. :)
Eggactly!

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So now we have Kwasi Kwarteng saying that he told Liz Truss that she was going too fast with the tax cuts (maybe). Correct me if I'm wrong, but did he not say at the time that the tax cuts were all his idea?

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Truss did make a comment about the cabinet not being consulted about the removal of the highest rate of tax ... and that she was not aware of some of what was announced. I think the Tory party and its membership should be made to pay back the billions that Truss cost this country.

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Kendhni wrote: 11 Nov 2022, 08:48
Truss did make a comment about the cabinet not being consulted about the removal of the highest rate of tax ... and that she was not aware of some of what was announced. I think the Tory party and its membership should be made to pay back the billions that Truss cost this country.
Presumably from their magic money tree?
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