Age of consent

[suespud]

so if the law does not work, then what will education???
sex lessons for 7 yr olds,

behave, this is one of those subjects that is ignored till it affects you personally

A very hard hitting unwanted pregnancy campaign...unrelenting,continually reviewed/ updated, to include STDS..AND try to reinforce long term relationships/marriage. Of course to include the age of cconsent and all that goes with it.
Have it in the press, schools everywhere!!!!

[Dark Knight]

Sue
you obviously know a lot about this from your work
would such a campaign work today, or are kids to old to soon?

[Andrea S]

DK, I was a teenager in the early 50's and naive wasn't the word.
Trust me , when I got married I learnt a lot very quickly.!! In those days you where a wife and then a mother, you were never a person in your own right.
That is why I hate to see young people wasting their lives. . Despite the employment situation there are so many opportunists on offer for them.
What we have to remember is whatever we teach youngsters they still can not differentiate between good and bad older people. Take the 2 murder charges currently in the news. 2 young people who put their trust in an adult.

[suespud]

Sue
you obviously know a lot about this from your work
would such a campaign work today, or are kids to old to soon?

IMO year 6 (10 -11yr olds)is when it should be introduced full on, continuing all their school lives, reinforcing all the time.
Girls start their periods earlier now, they should understand what it is all about sooner rather than later.
I also think a programme promoting "family" life should be almost brainwashed into 7 year olds plus a softer but honest approach to unwanted babies.

As for our kids being old too soon... Society in general is to blame for that....
In other words US...the adults.
Im not sure how to fix that...its universal.

[Andrea S]

Suespud,
Your last 2 posts have summed up what is needed.
There are many people on this forum who live in very nice areas where stable family life is all around them. That is how life should be.
Move to inner cities and the picture changes, households with a number of children all with different fathers, drinking and fighting part of their everyday lives. Colourful language and on the streets until late at night.
These are the one that need so much help before they get into that downward spiral.

[Silver_Shiney]

Alan.....Marriage.... ?????

So..... scenario...young man/woman... school, uni, career.. maybe thinks about marraige in late 20's early 30's...
Dont become sexually active till after they are married ?????
Sorry Alan... cant get my head around that.

Not everyone goes to university, Sue.

I do understand that you (and pretty much everyone else) will vigorously reject biblical teaching on sex and marriage but you cannot deny that if everyone did keep sex for marriage, we would not be seeing these problems today.

[Dark Knight]

Sue
thanks for some very interesting and sensible posts

I apologise to those who have taken part in this thread, for some of my responses, which have graciously been edited my the Mods
I allowed myself to become embroiled in a silly tit for tat argument for which I apologise and in future I will stay above such petty bickering and will not allow myself to be dragged down to such a low level

DK

[suespud]

Alan.....Marriage.... ?????

So..... scenario...young man/woman... school, uni, career.. maybe thinks about marraige in late 20's early 30's...
Dont become sexually active till after they are married ?????
Sorry Alan... cant get my head around that.

Not everyone goes to university, Sue.

I do understand that you (and pretty much everyone else) will vigorously reject biblical teaching on sex and marriage but you cannot deny that if everyone did keep sex for marriage, we would not be seeing these problems today.

Alan, I do respect your views, but dont agree with them at all.

Are you saying that all men and women should be virgins when they get married?
Maybe I cannot deny we wouldnt be seeing the same problems....

But we would be seeing other problems...sexually frustrated people... bring on the bromide.
Average age people get married now is 30 !!!
Would that not have an effect on the population....?

[suespud]

Sue
thanks for some very interesting and sensible posts

I apologise to those who have taken part in this thread, for some of my responses, which have graciously been edited my the Mods
I allowed myself to become embroiled in a silly tit for tat argument for which I apologise and in future I will stay above such petty bickering and will not allow myself to be dragged down to such a low level

DK

You welcome

No need to apologise. When you are passionate and wound up about something, your emotions take over.
It happens to us all.
I wont comment on your last sentence
Sue
x

[Silver_Shiney]

Alan, I do respect your views, but dont agree with them at all.

Are you saying that all men and women should be virgins when they get married?
Maybe I cannot deny we wouldnt be seeing the same problems....

But we would be seeing other problems...sexually frustrated people... bring on the bromide.
Average age people get married now is 30 !!!
Would that not have an effect on the population....?

Yes, I am saying we should be virgins when we marry, but I fully accept that this, for most people who sneer at Christianity (and, indeed and sadly, for some within the Church) this is not going to happen. Society has become desensitised to pure, loving intimacy, and it is expected that a girl will dress provocatively and be prepared to strip off for all and sundry to look at her, it is expected that everyone will sleep around and have multiple partners - we've cheapened the whole thing. This is not how it was meant to be.

Sexually frustrated? Well, again, if sex wasn't so aggressively pushed in so many ways, but was revered for the beautiful act that it was meant to be, I very much doubt that sexual frustration would be a problem. However, not only has the horse bolted, but the stable door has been removed, so there's no way now that this is going to be reversed.

What is needed is a paradigm shift in the way we think - but, again, that isn't going to happen.

Trust me, the bromide doesn't work!!

[Silver_Shiney]

Sue
thanks for some very interesting and sensible posts

I apologise to those who have taken part in this thread, for some of my responses, which have graciously been edited my the Mods
I allowed myself to become embroiled in a silly tit for tat argument for which I apologise and in future I will stay above such petty bickering and will not allow myself to be dragged down to such a low level

DK

I didn't see the comments before they were edited but I'm absolutely certain they couldn't be worse than some of the stuff I've posted in the past ....

[suespud]

Alan, I do respect your views, but dont agree with them at all.

Are you saying that all men and women should be virgins when they get married?
Maybe I cannot deny we wouldnt be seeing the same problems....

But we would be seeing other problems...sexually frustrated people... bring on the bromide.
Average age people get married now is 30 !!!
Would that not have an effect on the population....?

Yes, I am saying we should be virgins when we marry, but I fully accept that this, for most people who sneer at Christianity (and, indeed and sadly, for some within the Church) this is not going to happen. Society has become desensitised to pure, loving intimacy, and it is expected that a girl will dress provocatively and be prepared to strip off for all and sundry to look at her, it is expected that everyone will sleep around and have multiple partners - we've cheapened the whole thing. This is not how it was meant to be.

Sexually frustrated? Well, again, if sex wasn't so aggressively pushed in so many ways, but was revered for the beautiful act that it was meant to be, I very much doubt that sexual frustration would be a problem. However, not only has the horse bolted, but the stable door has been removed, so there's no way now that this is going to be reversed.

What is needed is a paradigm shift in the way we think - but, again, that isn't going to happen.

Trust me, the bromide doesn't work!!

Alan.... The church says it was meant to be, in their eyes.
However...in real life.. procreation doesnt work like that...
How do you think sexual frustration wont be a problem?
We are on this earth to reproduce, its human nature..its programmed in us!!
Its got nothing to do with being aggressivly pushed.

You know I have faith, but I also have common sense.
I do however think people should at least be in stable relationships and love each other before they have sex.
But even that is idealistic in todays world, sadly I might add.


As for the bromide...

[Silver_Shiney]

Alan.... The church says it was meant to be, in their eyes.
However...in real life.. procreation doesnt work like that...
How do you think sexual frustration wont be a problem?
We are on this earth to reproduce, its human nature..its programmed in us!!
Its got nothing to do with being aggressivly pushed.

You know I have faith, but I also have common sense.
I do however think people should at least be in stable relationships and love each other before they have sex.
But even that is idealistic in todays world, sadly I might add.


As for the bromide...

No, Sue, not the church - God. If we hadn't turned our backs on Him, we wouldn't be in this mess. Yes, we are here to reproduce, in the stable relationship called marriage. Frankly I do not understand those who say their relationship is so stable and committed that they don't need a piece of paper to ratify it. Why are they scared of that little bit of formal commitment?

Today's promiscuous society, and acceptance of all things sexual, has everything to do with it being aggressively pushed..

You're right, though, it is idealistic in today's world.

They put bromide in our tea during my RAF apprenticeship... tasted awful, and in no way suppressed our urges!

[Kendhni]

No, Sue, not the church - God. If we hadn't turned our backs on Him, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Sorry SS, but that is of no relevance.
Like every other animal on this planet, breeding is a core reason for our existence - with or without whatever some call a 'God'.
This has nothing to do with turning our back on a 'god' or even a 'religion' ... marriage is a man made institution (which the church has tried to take control of) and such 'partnerships' have existed from before Christianity and even in pagan and other non-religious groups. Many of the species on this planet are primarily monogamous and therefore do not need religion, or even marriage, to 'cement' that relationship.

Personally, I think marriage has had its day and really is of little relevance in a modern society ... but having said that I would still probably get married myself ... but I do not need a church or any religion for that.

[Silver_Shiney]

Well Ken, you obviously have the right to disagree with me, but God ordained marriage long before the church came into existence.

As for being irrelevant, that's only because you choose to treat it as irrelevant.

[suespud]

Alan.... The church says it was meant to be, in their eyes.
However...in real life.. procreation doesnt work like that...
How do you think sexual frustration wont be a problem?
We are on this earth to reproduce, its human nature..its programmed in us!!
Its got nothing to do with being aggressivly pushed.

You know I have faith, but I also have common sense.
I do however think people should at least be in stable relationships and love each other before they have sex.
But even that is idealistic in todays world, sadly I might add.


As for the bromide...

No, Sue, not the church - God. If we hadn't turned our backs on Him, we wouldn't be in this mess. Yes, we are here to reproduce, in the stable relationship called marriage. Frankly I do not understand those who say their relationship is so stable and committed that they don't need a piece of paper to ratify it. Why are they scared of that little bit of formal commitment?

Today's promiscuous society, and acceptance of all things sexual, has everything to do with it being aggressively pushed..

You're right, though, it is idealistic in today's world.

They put bromide in our tea during my RAF apprenticeship... tasted awful, and in no way suppressed our urges!

Alan, there are a few discussions that we could have within this discussion !!!

I think it has all gone a little off topic..

I think we agree things are not they way any of us thinks they should be.

The reasons why are numerous, depending on the way you look at it.


Should the age of consent be lowered... NO !!!

[Silver_Shiney]

Should the age of consent be lowered... NO !!!

At least we agree on something!!

[suespud]

No, Sue, not the church - God. If we hadn't turned our backs on Him, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Sorry SS, but that is of no relevance.
Like every other animal on this planet, breeding is a core reason for our existence - with or without whatever some call a 'God'.
This has nothing to do with turning our back on a 'god' or even a 'religion' ... marriage is a man made institution (which the church has tried to take control of) and such 'partnerships' have existed from before Christianity and even in pagan and other non-religious groups. Many of the species on this planet are primarily monogamous and therefore do not need religion, or even marriage, to 'cement' that relationship.

Personally, I think marriage has had its day and really is of little relevance in a modern society ... but having said that I would still probably get married myself ... but I do not need a church or any religion for that.

Good post Ken.