In or Out of the EU ??
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Ray Scully
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In or Out of the EU ??
I most definitely would like to see comprehensive balanced discussions before I make my mind up.
However looking at those politicians busting a gut to get us out I have to ask myself are they ever likely to suggest something that is in my best interests
I think not
Ray
However looking at those politicians busting a gut to get us out I have to ask myself are they ever likely to suggest something that is in my best interests
I think not
Ray
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Quizzical Bob
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
In, absolutely definitely.
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Andrea S
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Forget the politicians.
I would like to see in black and white what the current benefits are for us . The goalposts continually change and all we hear is how much it is costing and being told it is best for us.
Right at this moment I couldn't vote one way or the other as I haven't a clue as what is best for this country.
I certainly don't think that the EU should be dictating to us with regard to our legal system.
I would like to see in black and white what the current benefits are for us . The goalposts continually change and all we hear is how much it is costing and being told it is best for us.
Right at this moment I couldn't vote one way or the other as I haven't a clue as what is best for this country.
I certainly don't think that the EU should be dictating to us with regard to our legal system.
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qbman1
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
We need far more information on the pros and cons before being able to make an informed decision. The biggest trouble with a referendum of this nature is that many people will blindly vote either along party lines or, more worryingly, how ever the Sum, Mail or Mirror tell them to !
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david63
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
The EU needs to go back to its original concept of being a "free" market within Europe - and that side of it I doubt that we could do without. What needs to be reigned in is the way in which Germany is doing by the back door what it failed to do 70 years ago.
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noddy10
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Out and I agree 100% with david63 about Germany.
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Morning
I cannot even begin to unravel the complexes of this very vexed EU ins and outs question
Dammed if we do and dammed if we don't scenario it seems to be in my very humble opinion
Must dash
I urgently need throw yet another dart at "Call me Dave" pic pinned to my study wall
I cannot even begin to unravel the complexes of this very vexed EU ins and outs question
Dammed if we do and dammed if we don't scenario it seems to be in my very humble opinion
Must dash
I urgently need throw yet another dart at "Call me Dave" pic pinned to my study wall
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paultheeagle
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
If it helps to rid us of this despicable government then O U T
But to be honest...I don't know...I am at the moment to ignorant on this subject to make a decision...Despite reading loads and watching our politicians discuss it. Hopefully before I have to vote things will be explained to me, in simple terms, reasons both for and against being in or out of the EU....
But I wouldn't bet on it.
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Boris+
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
I can't make a decision on this until the 'powers that be' have completed their attempt at negotiating a different situation for the UK.
Once that point is reached - then I can decide and not until.
Em
Once that point is reached - then I can decide and not until.
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HK phooey
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Out, and I'm amazed that Germany were even given a seat at the table, never mind being allowed to run Europe a mere 70 odd years after staring the second world war.
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Dancing Queen
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Me too Paul, I'm sure there are many like us that would welcome being told in simple terms what the fors/againsts are, maybe someone on here that does understand it could start a couple of threads " Reasons to be In " and Reasons to be Out " of course we already know we won't agree with everyonepaultheeagle wrote:![]()
But to be honest...I don't know...I am at the moment to ignorant on this subject to make a decision...Despite reading loads and watching our politicians discuss it. Hopefully before I have to vote things will be explained to me, in simple terms, reasons both for and against being in or out of the EU....
Jo
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qbman1
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
No good asking PTE then DQ - he wants out to get rid of the Government !!
Any referendum is hardly going to be impartial and based upon cold logic, is it ?
Any referendum is hardly going to be impartial and based upon cold logic, is it ?
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
dittonoddy10 wrote:Out and I agree 100% with david63 about Germany.
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Kendhni
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
That would be my situation as well ... I would love to see a proper analysis of the pros and cons of being a member of the EU ... I believe the government has deliberately kept us ignorant about what it all means.Ray Scully wrote:I most definitely would like to see comprehensive balanced discussions before I make my mind up.
One thing they do need to do is reel in their spending, their expenses, and paying MEP's to be absent or sign-in-and-sod-off.
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noddy10
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Since when have the general public ever had a balanced and comprehensive view from any government or party.
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Mummykins
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
I did vote against joining the EU - honest! Now I don't know, we have lost all our trade with Australia and New Zealand etc it all seems to be with Europe now and it doesn't seem likely that we will get a large share of the Asian market.
I just wish it was a free trade agreement and they would leave our legal system alone.
I just wish it was a free trade agreement and they would leave our legal system alone.
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gilly88
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
out... until I hear a good reason to stay in, I voted against last time we were asked, but when the people said yes I just accepted that it would be okay. I was wrong.. 
regards gilly.
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Onelife
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
OUT ....It’s about time we started standing on our own two feet again...Yes! We will struggle for a few years but gradually we would re-establish ourselves as the great trading nation we once were.
We need to start planting the seeds now for a brighter future for our children.
The fact that I don’t understand what being part of the EU really means is of no consequence as they themselves don’t know either.
Regards
OL
We need to start planting the seeds now for a brighter future for our children.
The fact that I don’t understand what being part of the EU really means is of no consequence as they themselves don’t know either.
Regards
OL
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qbman1
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You planning to re-launch the Cutty Sark to trade tea with the Indies OL ?!Onelife wrote:OUT ....It’s about time we started standing on our own two feet again...Yes! We will struggle for a few years but gradually we would re-establish ourselves as the great trading nation we once were.
We need to start planting the seeds now for a brighter future for our children.
The fact that I don’t understand what being part of the EU really means is of no consequence as they themselves don’t know either.
Regards
OL
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Onelife
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Qb That option could be quite expensive...but the way cabins are selling on Azura and Venture there could be room for negotiation there.qbman1 wrote:You planning to re-launch the Cutty Sark to trade tea with the Indies OL ?!Onelife wrote:OUT ....It’s about time we started standing on our own two feet again...Yes! We will struggle for a few years but gradually we would re-establish ourselves as the great trading nation we once were.
We need to start planting the seeds now for a brighter future for our children.
The fact that I don’t understand what being part of the EU really means is of no consequence as they themselves don’t know either.
Regards
OL
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Onelife
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Stephen wrote:Out out
What did you say Stephen?.... Couldn’t hear yoooou!!
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barney
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
Part of the reason for the main parties wanting to stay in the EU is personal kudos of the polititians
They just love to be on the world stage, bigging it up.
Do you seriously think that Obama would give Cameron or any other leader the time of day if we were not part of the EU?
It's time that our leaders realised that we are no longer a major force in the world.
No one elected them to be the police of the world.
We don't need to fight other people's wars on the grounds of 'peace'
I personally don't think that the UK gets a great deal out of it and would be more than happy to examine further facts, if we could find them anywhere
My instinct is ....... out
They just love to be on the world stage, bigging it up.
Do you seriously think that Obama would give Cameron or any other leader the time of day if we were not part of the EU?
It's time that our leaders realised that we are no longer a major force in the world.
No one elected them to be the police of the world.
We don't need to fight other people's wars on the grounds of 'peace'
I personally don't think that the UK gets a great deal out of it and would be more than happy to examine further facts, if we could find them anywhere
My instinct is ....... out
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towny44
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
My gut reaction says out, and even a considered view says out.
We have a major trade imbalance with the EU, so its not in their interest for us to be on the other side of a tariff barrier.
We pay into the EU far more than we receive, so again not in their interest to see us leave, especially Germany who would need to make up the shortfall.
The second largest finance sector, USA, is outside the EU, hardly makes sense for them to push us outside as well.
Overall view, Cameron holds all the aces and has a Royal flush up his sleave as well so he ought to be able to negotiate a cracking deal for us, only problem is I doubt he could neghotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.
We have a major trade imbalance with the EU, so its not in their interest for us to be on the other side of a tariff barrier.
We pay into the EU far more than we receive, so again not in their interest to see us leave, especially Germany who would need to make up the shortfall.
The second largest finance sector, USA, is outside the EU, hardly makes sense for them to push us outside as well.
Overall view, Cameron holds all the aces and has a Royal flush up his sleave as well so he ought to be able to negotiate a cracking deal for us, only problem is I doubt he could neghotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.
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Re: In or Out of the EU ??
like most people, I suspect my understanding of exactly what we put in and what we get is sadly lacking and until, I know that, I can't make an informed choice.
we do need to stand on our own more and try to recover an economy that is based on manufacturing and export, rather than a service industry, but I doubt I will see that in my lifetime.
and I also agree that we are not a powerful nation anymore and we should stop using the countries credit card trying to keep up with the real economic powerhouses and sort our own problems out first, before we give billions away to god knows what, in the form of contributions to the EU etc
we do need to stand on our own more and try to recover an economy that is based on manufacturing and export, rather than a service industry, but I doubt I will see that in my lifetime.
and I also agree that we are not a powerful nation anymore and we should stop using the countries credit card trying to keep up with the real economic powerhouses and sort our own problems out first, before we give billions away to god knows what, in the form of contributions to the EU etc
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