11% Pay Rise (Really)

[Quizzical Bob]

I agree with the comment pay peanuts, then don't be surprised if all you get is Monkeys.

If you pay more peanuts you get bigger monkeys.

[Dark Knight]

QB
Bigger monkeys are called apes...

P E Dant ..City of Culture 2017 branch

[haveabeer]

£66.000 for a basic salary plus expenses plus perks not bad for a load of monkeys

[Dark Knight]

HAB
A serious question, do you honestly think you could do a better Job?
and how much would you want to be paid to deliver this much improved service to the country?

many people moan about politicians, but would be unable to do the job, very similar to armchair footballers and sportsmen, talk a lot but couldn't do it no matter how much they were paid

[haveabeer]

DK
Nope
My argument is not that they deserve it or not deserve it I do think that they are well paid for the job
But when we have the PM stating that we must all pull our belts in and take the pain why should they be excluded from that pain
I am sure that there are many that carry the same level of responsibility are they getting 11% in 2015 no so why should MP's
All this does nothing for there image with the voters and with the recent expenses scandal I think we have the right to ask why they should be excluded from the current situation we find ourselves in

[Onelife]

£66.000 for a basic salary plus expenses plus perks not bad for a load of monkeys

Yes, haveabeer.... but one has to realise we are talking about “Posh” monkey’s not like the ones who have to forage around trying to pay our electivity bills.

You are of course right about all the extra posh peanuts (perks) they gauge themselves on. I only wish the same entitlements were afforded to my wife who has to pay £170 just to park her car at the hospital where she works.

If I could get 66K for doing a job that requires no qualifications I would keep my mouth shut as should they....I really struggle to understand how anyone could suggest their job is more deserving of a higher wage packet, plus perks than someone who stick their finger up other peoples ar*ses looking for cancer... They need to get a reality check and see how the less well off monkey’s have to cope.

Regards

Keith

[Manoverboard]

... I really struggle to understand how anyone could suggest their job is more deserving of a higher wage packet, plus perks than someone who stick their finger up other peoples ar*ses looking for cancer... They need to get a reality check and see how the less well off monkey’s have to cope.

Regards

Keith

Surely such persons are entitled ' Doctors ' or in the worst case scenario ' Colorectal Surgeons ' and as such would earn as much else a whole lot more than the average MP.

We should perhaps also remember that it is US who vote them into Office and that they are thankfully NOT elected on the basis of their qualifications. Being a Mr Fixit, getting results else looking after the interests of their constituency are far more important attributes than having a qualification certificate to wave about.

[oldbluefox]

I would pay them a whole lot more but reduce the number of constituencies. I would also like to see a performance related element based on what they achieve for their constituency built into their pay structure. This would effectively weed out those who get elected but actually do very little. It may also weed out those who get elected and are never seen again until they leave their cosy London hideaway as election time looms or who spend their time on 'fact-finding missions' to all parts of the world. When I vote I am looking for somebody who will benefit my local community as opposed to trailing the world looking for lost causes. When we have sorted our own problems out then is the time to go and sort everybody else's troubles out.

[haveabeer]

OBF
Wise words but I fear never to be I'm afraid

[oldbluefox]

Sadly you are right HAB. We need an holistic approach, somebody who will sort out this country, not just London or isolated pockets of UK but the whole country. How can anybody contemplate spending billions of pounds on a relatively short stretch of railway line to shave 20 minutes off a rail journey into the capital when there are still parts of the country with an old, antiquated, Victorian infrastructure? We need MPs who will fight tooth and nail for their constituency rather than paying lip service to their political masters and neglecting those who put them in office. Then they would be worthy of their money. Sadly not all MPs can do this.

[Onelife]

Mob ...I give you what for later. ...I’ve got to go and cook tea... squeak squeak

[Dark Knight]

I know this may shock some of the forum but £66,000 a year is not a huge salary anymore
many people, such as teachers, doctors, solicitors , barristers, senior mangers ,bankers, accountants etc etc earn a lot more than that
Wagon drivers routinely earn £50,000

so as far as pay goes, some of the more qualified ones could earn 2 or3 or 4 times the amount they do for serving as a politician

[haveabeer]

I know this may shock some of the forum but £66,000 a year is not a huge salary anymore
many people, such as teachers, doctors, solicitors , barristers, senior mangers ,bankers, accountants etc etc earn a lot more than that
Wagon drivers routinely earn £50,000

so as far as pay goes, some of the more qualified ones could earn 2 or3 or 4 times the amount they do for serving as a politician

I have not questioned what they should earn but £66k is a basic they have a very generous expences and other perks as well
But that is not the discussion the discussion is what makes the a special case in they preach to the voters that we all have to tighten our belts
to help cut the deficit
Why should they be excluded from the cut backs if they are worth 11% rise in 2015 so are many others

[Dark Knight]

HAB
you are either deliberately missing the point or choosing to ignore the replies to make some sort of point

the politicians did not vote themselves a pay rise, it was a totally separate body which did
the 3 party leaders have voiced their objections to the % increase
many back benchers have also publicly stated their objection to it

so how did they politicians vote themselves a rise?

as far as your argument about other people being worth a pay rise, I agree but ....as many people have received pay rises for the last few years , as those that haven't
civil servants have been riding the gravy train for years, so forgive me if I have little sympathy for them

[haveabeer]

DK
i am not missing the point at all you miss understand what i am asking i dont really care who sanctioned it
its very easy for the three musketeers to shout foul
Whoever said that they recommend this rise what made them decide that MP's should be excluded from the rest of the working nation
Thats the question dont think its a difficult one to ask considering we pay there salary
And remember we dont ask them to stand for election its there choice and they know what the pay is

[Dark Knight]

HAB
perhaps watching the news or reading the paper may shed light on your lack of knowledge

the reason for the rise is to attract well paid, well educated people into politics, which will freshen the pot and then we will not have to rely on Public school yahoos and self indulgent millionaires running the country
this way fresh ideas and fresh thinking can be brought into politics, which gets my vote
Anyone who wants to be a politician and nothing else , should be viewed with suspicion, as they have little real world knowledge and tend to be somewhat over priviledged

[haveabeer]

Seems that you cant answer my question and please dont insult my intelligence
I have not insulted yours that to me shows that you have no answer so on the defensive you go
DK i have every right to ask the question if you cant reply in a civil manner then please dont reply
I may not be as intelligent as you but at least i remain civil and well mannered

[Manoverboard]

You do indeed HAB, remain civil and well mannered that is

[Quizzical Bob]

HAB
perhaps watching the news or reading the paper may shed light on your lack of knowledge

the reason for the rise is to attract well paid, well educated people into politics, which will freshen the pot and then we will not have to rely on Public school yahoos and self indulgent millionaires running the country
this way fresh ideas and fresh thinking can be brought into politics, which gets my vote
Anyone who wants to be a politician and nothing else , should be viewed with suspicion, as they have little real world knowledge and tend to be somewhat over priviledged

I hereby predict that any pay rise will have no effect whatsoever on the quality of the candidates.

[Dark Knight]

the reason for the rise is to attract well paid, well educated people into politics, which will freshen the pot and then we will not have to rely on Public school yahoos and self indulgent millionaires running the country
this way fresh ideas and fresh thinking can be brought into politics, which gets my vote

HAB
I am sorry you couldn't not find the answer in my above post, so here it is again.
this is the reason given by a member of the committe who awarded the increase to the government
if this is not the answer , then please in your civil and well mannered way...tell me what is??

it seems you just don't like the answer...nothing more and to be blunt, you are being deliberately obtuse

[Quizzical Bob]

QB
Bigger monkeys are called apes...

P E Dant ..City of Culture 2017 branch

I rest my case.

[Dark Knight]

QB
unless of course the current crop are Marmosets or cappuchin monkeys
in which case the next step up would be chimps and baboons

[Onelife]

... I really struggle to understand how anyone could suggest their job is more deserving of a higher wage packet, plus perks than someone who stick their finger up other peoples ar*ses looking for cancer... They need to get a reality check and see how the less well off monkey’s have to cope.

Regards

Keith

Hi Mob,

"Surely such persons are entitled ' Doctors ' or in the worst case scenario ' Colorectal Surgeons ' and as such would earn as much else a whole lot more than the average MP".

I believe you are correct in that assumption...but the thing that separates Doctors/Consultants from MP’s is that most MP’s are elected whereas Doctors/consultants will have undergone a 5 year degree, 2 foundation years, then another few year training depending on which speciality they have chosen which I believe is deserving of a better wage than bog standard MP’s?

"We should perhaps also remember that it is US who vote them into Office and that they are thankfully NOT elected on the basis of their qualifications. Being a Mr Fixit, getting results else looking after the interests of their constituency are far more important attributes than having a qualification certificate to wave about."


I understand where you are coming from with the above and would agree with you that some MP’s do a good job at representing their constituents, but where it all starts to fall to pieces is when... by hook or by crook they make it to a ministerial position. One would think having risen through the ranks they would be well equipped to take on these challenging positions but time and time again we see how once in the position things start falling to pieces, mostly due to the fact that they find themselves floundering in an area in which they have little expertise. The classic example of this would be our x MP Jacqui “two bath plugs and a barbecue” Smith who rose to the dizzy heights of Home Secretary.

Although, I'm sure many would differ from this view but as a local MP she in my opinion worked tirelessly for her constituents but as was proven was ill equipped to take one of the highest positions in Government.
I would agree with you and OBF that higher salaries should be afforded to those who come up to the mark but how you measure this before the damage is done if not up to the job I have no idea.

I personally believe our political system, one that was once heralded as an example of good governance has in my opinion lost its way and it is time to take another look how we go forward from here.

Now if you could make ne a senior first officer I will agree with whatever is in your reply.

Regards

Keith

[oldbluefox]

the reason for the rise is to attract well paid, well educated people

How many times have I heard this justification (start with bankers).................................. with disastrous results?

[Dark Knight]

OBF
it may well be a stupid justification
But...
it was one the one given by the person interviewed on the BBC at tea time tonight. So what else is there ?