11% Pay Rise (Really)

[haveabeer]

DK
I see that as a smoke screen to appease the voters, it maybe that some think the way you do,that is i believe there intention.
i think the majority will see through that smoke screen and see it for what it is worth, and i will carry on asking questions that i dont understand
because the majority of people will respond in a debating way not try to bully them into thinking that they are stupid because believe me DK you are welcomed to carry on but i wont join in i think my level of intelligence takes me above that.

[Manoverboard]

... Now if you could make ne a senior first officer I will agree with whatever is in your reply.

Regards

Keith

Such is the problem with our Polititians, Second Officer, and their Leaders in so much that they keep promoting people beyond their capabilities .... would you have me make the same mistake ?

[oldbluefox]

We have an MP who has been knighted for his work in ......................... Africa. Meanwhile he has a constituency of poor opportunity, high unemployment, outdated infrastructure and little prospect on the horizon for improvement. If you have a serious medical complaint you are taken to Middlesbrough or Newcastle, 100 miles away for treatment because we don't have the facilities. Our local hospital is on its knees......................... need I go on?

We need MPs who are committed to their constituencies and give their fullest energy to their constituents. If you have a good one (and it does not matter whether they are red, blue, yellow or candy-striped pink) they are worth every penny of the money they earn. Reduce the number of constituencies and increase the MP's pay.

Not sure where DK gets his figures from but I don't know of many teachers on £60k+ unless they are heads of large schools.

[Onelife]

... Now if you could make ne a senior first officer I will agree with whatever is in your reply.

Regards

Keith

Such is the problem with our Polititians, Second Officer, and their Leaders in so much that they keep promoting people beyond their capabilities .... would you have me make the same mistake ?

Of course I would...when did I care about telling little porkies

[Dark Knight]

OBF
It may well be heads and deputy heads that earn that level of salary, but they do, that is the point
A politicians salary is not excessive, I know plenty of people who earn above a politicians salary
the point is that to attract the best of the rest, sp to speak, you need to pay them more than they can earn now, simple economics



HAB

I am sorry that you have seen my posts in a negative light but I really cannot see the crux of your argument
the reasons for the increase have been given, the MP's have voiced their objection to it and have had no say in the level of the increase.
I do not see me presenting the facts as given as bullying, only the way they are received is in question I think

[haveabeer]

DK
Sorry that you dont see the crux of my question maybe we should agree to differ

[Dark Knight]

HAB
Viva la difference
we don't all agree ,all the time AND I do debate robustly , which can sometimes be seen as harsh and if I have offended you, I apologise unreservedly

DK

[oldbluefox]

[haveabeer]

DK
No need to apologies and no grudges barred by me
My knowledge of politics is very limited i never professed to understand it.
what i do care about is passionately is fairness and i would ask the same question whoever it had been

[Onelife]

[quote="Dark Knight"]OBF
It may well be heads and deputy heads that earn that level of salary, but they do, that is the point
A politicians salary is not excessive, I know plenty of people who earn above a politicians salary
the point is that to attract the best of the rest, sp to speak, you need to pay them more than they can earn now,

I may be wrong DK but isn't "paying them more than they can earn now, simple economics " the way BOOM and BUST came about?

Or am I just a piece of mouldy old Cheddar?

Regards

Squeak squeak

[Dark Knight]

Sqeaker

When you changed jobs, surely one of the motivating factors is salary?
so if the government wish to recruit a new crop of politicians, then they need to offer a good package
the assumption, wrongly to my mind, is that politicians are the best of the best, to me it is an old boys club that needs a radical overhaul and needs to attract fresh thinking and new blood from out side the normal sphere of influence

As I posted earlier, I am highly suspicious of anyone whose sole aim is to get in a position of power.

[haveabeer]

When i changed jobs in my twenties i took a pay cut because i could see the potential to earn more if i
achieved my targets and it was a job i wanted to do
To become successful i had to work hard and long hours it took me 5 years to become Dealer Principle
i had no previous experience infact i was a van driver prior to taking the dealership post as a junior salesman
i continued in that job until my enforced retirement at the age of 59

[Silver_Shiney]

I see the independent board are claiming that this rise will not cost the taxpayer a penny once other measures are taken into consideration.

If that's the case, then how about awarding a modest payrise (if at all) and using these "other measures" to start nibbling away at the national debt or provide better funding for health and police services?

[Dark Knight]

As was on the news today, next year we will reach the same GDP as we had before the crash and next year everything will be good in the world, with borrowing down, GDP up and house prices booming

so they must be doing something right?

[Quizzical Bob]

As was on the news today, next year we will reach the same GDP as we had before the crash and next year everything will be good in the world, with borrowing down, GDP up and house prices booming

so they must be doing something right?

Not necessarily. We might have recovered quicker with other measures, or indeed slower.

[Dark Knight]

QB
but you will never know
so you have to accept this set of measures worked and by default the politico's are doing a grand job and worth every penny
after all they are only cleaning up the mess made by the banks

[davecttr]

As was on the news today, next year we will reach the same GDP as we had before the crash and next year everything will be good in the world, with borrowing down, GDP up and house prices booming

so they must be doing something right?

Reaching the same GDP does not mean the problem is solved. the problem for real people is their disposable income has been squeezed until it squeaks. The rich and those in positions of power are of course insulated from all this.

I am retired and my disposable income is still way below what it was in 2008 when my lump sum investment gave me a substantial net annual income. Probably i will never achieve that rate of return again and even if i did the lump sum will have gone as i am spending it so I can at least enjoy myself and go on cruises.

House prices booming will lead to nothing more than pain as they are too expensive anyway and the bubble will burst!.

[Dark Knight]

any growth is a positive and can only be good for the country and the economy

[Kendhni]

The current recovery isn't all positive. It is mostly built on borrowing (public and private) and a temporary housing bubble ... that is not to say that is a bad thing if it is kept under control. I think the UK is currently in a much better position than prior to this recession but it still needs to dramatically reduce public spending and sort out the pension crisis (it was good to see the government starting on that in the autumn statement).

The one thing I am seeing a lot more of though is proper investment coming into the country ... not as large scale as will support the current economic growth but it is a step in the right direction. As I have always said, the first half of this decade was pre-determined last decade ... the second half of this decade will be determined by the actions and policies being taken today ... and at the minute I am very positive about that ... the deficit is reducing and it looks like we will be in a position to start paying off last decades debt by 2017/2018 which is ahead of original expectations.

[Silver_Shiney]

We are "recovering" because we are pumping more and more money into the system - money which is not backed by anything and is ultimately worthless. I fear a huge crash is imminent.

[Kaziebelle]

Playing with figures,that's all they are doing and if it works they accept a pat on their backs but if it fails,they blame the last lot for leaving it so.one thing is for sure and that is that we can't believe a word that hooray Henry Cameron or his buddy george or is it gideon says,new hair do or no new hair do!!

[towny44]

We need MPs who are committed to their constituencies and give their fullest energy to their constituents. If you have a good one (and it does not matter whether they are red, blue, yellow or candy-striped pink) they are worth every penny of the money they earn. Reduce the number of constituencies and increase the MP's pay.

Do you really believe that a constituency MP can actually influence the level of local spending on the NHS, Education, Policing or Govt support for local industry etc...? They might just be able to help an individual maximise the level of benefit they obtain, although probably no better than the CAB could; although with IDS currently trying to minimise welfare spending neither are likely to be of much use.
However I do agree with the idea of reducing the number of constituencies, and if we could reach a concensus that specific constituency MPs are no longer worthwhile then changing to some form of regional PR might be a good idea, that way a single party Govt. would be consigned to history; and if we also think that this coalition is actually doing a reasonable job, that might be no bad thing.

[Stephen]

They say the cost of their pay rise will be balanced out by cutting out other perks. What they really mean is, 'that's what we'll tell the public and then we'll just give that perk a different title'.


Never mind, we're all in it together. Yeah, right

[oldbluefox]

We need MPs who are committed to their constituencies and give their fullest energy to their constituents. If you have a good one (and it does not matter whether they are red, blue, yellow or candy-striped pink) they are worth every penny of the money they earn. Reduce the number of constituencies and increase the MP's pay.

Do you really believe that a constituency MP can actually influence the level of local spending on the NHS, Education, Policing or Govt support for local industry etc...?

I presume government rules for the benefit of the whole of the UK, not just for the wealthier regions. Indeed I do believe our MPs should be fighting to provide opportunity for their constituents by encouraging and promoting the development of commerce and industry within their communities and enduring the infrastructure is in place to support it. As our representatives in Whitehall that is exactly what they should be doing and if they are not we don't really need them.