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Hi Sue,

It sounds to me that your Son and daughter in law have aready arrived at their decision and one that l'm sure they won't regret. I have watched enough programs about boarding schools, most of which have been enough to bring tears to my eyes let alone the eyes of those poor kids who are forced to attend such institutions.

Ok they may well get a better education but that education will inevitable leave them with some deep rooted emotional scars...

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Totally agree Keith.
Children need to be nurtured and looked after. Cant see how this happens at a boarding school.
If parents choose to send them to boarding school, who is to suit? My guess would be the parents...
Cant see any child saying...yes send me away from my family for weeks and months at a time...

Of course there might be exceptional circumstances why this has to happen.....as has been mentioned, but even so. Nah..... Couldnt do it whatever the circumstances were. Child needs to be with a parent and at home.


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Hi Sue,

I was in a bit of a tizz this morning - however, the point about looking for private education on a day pupil basis was made as a helpful hint to someone who might like to look for private education but not want the boarding element. It's a very good situation to be in.

Anyway, you asked if I missed our daughter - yes, I missed her more than I can describe, but then I (like many of the other mothers I met at the school) made a point of keeping myself busy. I knew that she was fully occupied, and did the same for myself - but with the flexibility and willingness to drop everything instantly and get to the school if I was needed.

It's not the answer for everyone, but our daughter latched on to learning very early on, and wanted and needed to be educationally 'stretched'. In the end it all worked out beautifully as she met several teachers/mentors who have contributed so much to her life; and they gave her more than she would have received in a state school. These people had a huge joy in their own specialist subjects and this was so apparent that it encouraged our daughter to develop and hone certain interests - and we are all incredibly happy with the end result.

We felt - and this is not for everyone - that in the greater scheme of things the time spent actually in close proximity with teachers is such a small portion of one's overall life expectancy that we absolutely had to provide the very best that we could.

Nobody should make decisions like education for a parent - maybe the grandparent in question was offering to fund whatever was needed for the future? The best way forward is not necessarily private education for everyone, but if someone (like a grandparent) offers to provide funds to assist in some form of education along the way, perhaps instead of selecting a school a trust fund could be set up? Who knows - there might be a grandchild who develops a penchant for something like (for instance) sailing, and the trust fund could then provide expert training and equipment?

One thing is for certain though Sue, you will definitely do all you can to help with your grandchildren, that I believe is an absolute fact.

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Wasn't it Prince Charles who said he spent many unhappy years at Gordonstoun :shock:
You are right DQ, Charlie boy absolutely hated it but all the other Royals loved it. This is what I meant by some are suited to it whilst others are not.

He attended one of my mountain rescue lectures when he was there, but would not participate as the other boys did. Perhaps this is why his father calls him a wimp!! :shock: :shock:
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Sue,

Perhaps from a Mums point of view boarding school is a good idea.

No dashing around to get to and from school on time
No Sunday night ritual of getting school clothes ready for the next day.
All the washing ,ironing and cooking you would save on.
No extra bedrooms to clean
No friends for tea to stress about.
No messy kitchen when little hands want to help with the baking
No dirty football boots to mess the kitchen floor,
No toys around to be picked up
No getting up in the night for poorly tummy,s.
No drawings to put up in the kitchen
No fun in making outfits for special school days.

All the things I wouldn't have wanted to miss as my children grew up.

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Andrea S wrote:
All the things I wouldn't have wanted to miss as my children grew up.
:thumbup: :clap:

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I am with Andrea 100%. :clap: :clap:

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Andrea, I love your thinking.. I'm with you too. :clap: :clap:

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Boris+ wrote:
Hi Sue,

I was in a bit of a tizz this morning - however, the point about looking for private education on a day pupil basis was made as a helpful hint to someone who might like to look for private education but not want the boarding element. It's a very good situation to be in.

Anyway, you asked if I missed our daughter - yes, I missed her more than I can describe, but then I (like many of the other mothers I met at the school) made a point of keeping myself busy. I knew that she was fully occupied, and did the same for myself - but with the flexibility and willingness to drop everything instantly and get to the school if I was needed.

It's not the answer for everyone, but our daughter latched on to learning very early on, and wanted and needed to be educationally 'stretched'. In the end it all worked out beautifully as she met several teachers/mentors who have contributed so much to her life; and they gave her more than she would have received in a state school. These people had a huge joy in their own specialist subjects and this was so apparent that it encouraged our daughter to develop and hone certain interests - and we are all incredibly happy with the end result.

We felt - and this is not for everyone - that in the greater scheme of things the time spent actually in close proximity with teachers is such a small portion of one's overall life expectancy that we absolutely had to provide the very best that we could.

Nobody should make decisions like education for a parent - maybe the grandparent in question was offering to fund whatever was needed for the future? The best way forward is not necessarily private education for everyone, but if someone (like a grandparent) offers to provide funds to assist in some form of education along the way, perhaps instead of selecting a school a trust fund could be set up? Who knows - there might be a grandchild who develops a penchant for something like (for instance) sailing, and the trust fund could then provide expert training and equipment?

One thing is for certain though Sue, you will definitely do all you can to help with your grandchildren, that I believe is an absolute fact.

Em
I'm also incredibly happy with the outcome of my children's state education...but more incredibly happy that I also contributed an awful lot and spent those precious years with them, helping them guiding them, giving them the very best of my time, in those most important years.
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The grandfather sounds a bit like my FIL. This seems to be nothing short of emotional blackmail/bullying.

A child's place is at home with its parents and there are very few circumstances that I can think of that would justify sending the child to boarding school (military personnel posted abroad where there is no English-language school for instance).

David is right, this will end in tears for someone - hopefully the grandfather. The children must be protected from this at all costs.
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Silver_Shiney wrote:
The grandfather sounds a bit like my FIL. This seems to be nothing short of emotional blackmail/bullying.

A child's place is at home with its parents and there are very few circumstances that I can think of that would justify sending the child to boarding school (military personnel posted abroad where there is no English-language school for instance).

David is right, this will end in tears for someone - hopefully the grandfather. The children must be protected from this at all costs.
The grandchildren are being protected from this, my son just won't allow it. And I'm hot on his heels.
My dil won't let it happen either, but she struggles with the way her father treats her.
But you have read the situation correctly.

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was dil sent to board by her father?
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Meg 50 wrote:
was dil sent to board by her father?
No meg she wasn't.
But he has a real downer on the north east in general...and us.. :shock:
Couldn't believe she chose to live up here instead of in Surrey, despite the fact she left home at 16 to get away from him and he knows that.

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just looked on FB - she went to the same school as my sil!
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It's entirely up to the parents - grandparents shouldn't stick their oar in at all.

I'm not a parent myself, but I would have been very happy to have had any children educated in the state sector. There are some excellent grammar school around here, and if a child of mine had gone to one of those I would have been thrilled

I'm yet to be convinced of the benefits of private education, whether it's on a boarding or day basis.

Where I grew up, the 11+ was done away with the year I would have taken it, so I was the within first intake of a comprehensive school. Within this school we were 'streamed' according to ability, and got an education geared to our strengths. There were two classes of 'academic' children (including me), and we left school with a stack of O levels each. Most of us went to the sixth form college for our A levels, and after that many went to University and /or into the professions. One boy was a talented musician, and has made a career in music, playing in orchestras all over the world. If the child has the raw materials of intelligence and willingness to learn, I don't think a private education adds any particular benefits.

In later years, when I look at the children of friends, the privately educated children certainly don't shine brighter than the state educated ones. In fact the biggest waster is the one who had a very expensive education. But, as the saying goes, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!
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my daughter had 3 friends - all dyslexic.

All qualified for the local faith school.

number one's parents decided the faith school didn't have the right facilities for his needs and packed him off to the local comp.
numbers two and three went to the faith school

after a couple of years, number two's parents decided things weren't good enough and shifted him to a local fee paying boarding and day school

number three stayed put....

at the end of year 11 they all emerged with identical GCSE results! (one pass each)
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Meg 50 wrote:
just looked on FB - she went to the same school as my sil!
Lolol well there you go. :D


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Not wanting to brag, however my ego has won again.
I went to a very exclusive school
It was so exclusive that it said Approved on the sign at the main entrance. :thumbup:

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Well ... poor old Grand-dad and just for balance ...

Perhaps he senses that the children are in some way gifted and that they will gain an advantageous start in life in a World that probably scares him shitless regarding their futures and maybe, just maybe, the parents are against Private education on the basis of Politics or the person who is offering it rather than what may be best for their little ones in the longer term. Let's face it children are hardy little folk who surely do not need to be mollycoddled by a dotting Mum 24/7.

Ours went to a comprehensive school but their education was in part blighted by Trotsky minded teachers, up Norf as it happens. If my old Dad could have afforded to make the same offer I suspect that we would have been minded to be grateful rather than punative.

It's a clash of personalities imo and nobody is thinking it through rationally. Pity that but fingers crossed that the children maximise their potential.
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Four of our grandchildren are currently privately educated. I see positives and negatives in the situation. All attended state primaries for the early years. The eldest is currently deciding whether to carry on at his school or opt for what is an excellent local 6th form college.

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Very difficult for the entire family Suespud, I sympathise. I really believe that if a young person has got intelligence and some ambition then it will not matter what sort of school they go to. The opportunities for education do not stop at 18 or indeed at 21, and it can really impress an employer or a prospective employer if someone is voluntarily doing some form of education even into their 40's. I would not worry about leftie teachers either, the good teachers are good teachers in any sort of school. Most important thing is that the children are happy, and have good personal values.

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Manoverboard wrote:
Well ... poor old Grand-dad and just for balance ...

Perhaps he senses that the children are in some way gifted and that they will gain an advantageous start in life in a World that probably scares him shitless regarding their futures and maybe, just maybe, the parents are against Private education on the basis of Politics or the person who is offering it rather than what may be best for their little ones in the longer term. Let's face it children are hardy little folk who surely do not need to be mollycoddled by a dotting Mum 24/7.

Ours went to a comprehensive school but their education was in part blighted by Trotsky minded teachers, up Norf as it happens. If my old Dad could have afforded to make the same offer I suspect that we would have been minded to be grateful rather than punative.

It's a clash of personalities imo and nobody is thinking it through rationally. Pity that but fingers crossed that the children maximise their potential.
Money, there is nothing poor about this grandad at all, either monetary or otherwise.
He has only seen his eldest grandchild 8 times in four years. He won't travel up north. My son and dil go down to see him twice a year. He met the twins for the first time when they were 11 months.
He is a control freak. He nearly ruined the wedding and caused havoc as he didn't like the the colour theme nor the bridesmaid dresses. Told them that as he was paying for "some" of the wedding he was having some choices. Couldn't believe that dil had to run past him the design of her flowers and table centres.
She has learnt over the last few years, that all fathers don't behave like this and she doesn't have to accept his behaviour. As I said before she left home at 16, but until the last few years still felt she had to do as he said.


Dil nor my son were privately educated, my son is a teacher, dil is a nurse. They do not want their children to be taught in private education.
Not politics, nor anything else.
They are far from being punitive, they are standing their ground against a domineering man, who thinks it's his way or no way.

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Horses for courses

Our grandchildren are a joy to us, and we would give our last Sovereign to assist them

But Spuds DIL pops may be going a bridge to far with good intensions

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if the boarding school is a better school and has been proven to be so, then what is the issue?
it sounds a little like the Father is trying to defend state run schools as he teaches there and feels it is more a slight on his job than a true reason for not sending the child away
if the child can receive a better education and a better start to life, then why not and more the better, if the financial burden does not fall on the parents

I think this is a case of the heart ruling the head and for every sob story about Tom Brown's schooldays and St Trinians, there are dozens of happy ,well adjusted, well educated children who went to boarding school and have prospered far beyond their state school potential
personally I would move heaven and earth to give my child the best possible education and start in life, even if that meant seeing slightly less of them at home

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I suppose - take politics etc out of the situation - the most valuable thing that anyone possesses is time. Waste it or mis-spend it at your peril. If you are completely content that the road you are about to travel with the education of children is the best one to take, then that is the road you must travel.

You can't re-run a childhood, you can't get the time back and start something all over again.

So - no matter what you decide, think carefully and then commit to your decision.

At the end of the day, you will get out what you put in I suppose - things will have been decided for the education of a child with the very very best of intentions, and I don't suppose that any child can ask for more than that.

We are just hoping that our grandchild will go down the private education route, but possibly as a day pupil. We are going to do our very best for her - and I don't think there are going to be any objections to our help and assistance.

It's not for everyone, but boarding school is that bad really - but then there's nowt wrong with the northern areas of the country either.

Good luck Sue.

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Dark Knight wrote:
if the boarding school is a better school and has been proven to be so, then what is the issue?
it sounds a little like the Father is trying to defend state run schools as he teaches there and feels it is more a slight on his job than a true reason for not sending the child away
if the child can receive a better education and a better start to life, then why not and more the better, if the financial burden does not fall on the parents

I think this is a case of the heart ruling the head and for every sob story about Tom Brown's schooldays and St Trinians, there are dozens of happy ,well adjusted, well educated children who went to boarding school and have prospered far beyond their state school potential
personally I would move heaven and earth to give my child the best possible education and start in life, even if that meant seeing slightly less of them at home

just my opinion :D
They don't want to send the child away to boarding school. It has nothing to do with my son being a teacher. They didn't bring children into this world, to send them away during their childhood to live the majority of their young years in a boarding school!!! It's not natural to want to do that.
As has been stated earlier, you only get one childhood. The state education system still works, it is not defunct!!

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