Brexit

[oldbluefox]

Always play poker with your cards close to your chest ….. just saying

Unlike Theresa May and look what a hash she made of it.

[Ray Scully]

But only being aware of part of an agreement so necessary in his exit plans plays into the narrative of not being across his brief, just saying.[/color]

Come on Ray ….

First of all Boris will NOT be doing the actual negotiations, he will simply ( not so simply actually ) be paving the way in conjunction with other EU leaders to reach a mutually acceptable settlement … in the knowledge that Boris will walk away if pushed.

Secondly I believe that Boris was right to bumble a tad around the detail, he would have been hopelessly wrong to discuss the finer points of a forthcoming negotiation with the likes of Andrew Mar.

Always play poker with your cards close to your chest ….. just saying

Yep! but just make sure you remember which cards you are holding

[Manoverboard]

Boris will have a 16 point opener in Clubs, he will also hold honours in two other suits ... together no doubt with the Joker

[Ray Scully]

Boris will have a 16 point opener in Clubs, he will also hold honours in two other suits ... together no doubt with the Joker

You've lost me

[Gill W]

I agree with Mervyn. I find JH a very much grey person, much like Major was, and will say anything to get into power. However look underneath the surface and he is actually promising very little if his plan for leaving the EU is anything to go by.
If he does get into No10 Boris will still be there and a thorn in his side. As PM Boris will need to deliver Brexit. If he succeeds Boris will be vindicated. If he fails that will be the end of him. Call his bluff.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Hunt either - but I find the prospect of him as PM less terrifying than Johnson.

Always play poker with your cards close to your chest ….. just saying

Unlike Theresa May and look what a hash she made of it.

The problem was that she never had any cards at all

But only being aware of part of an agreement so necessary in his exit plans plays into the narrative of not being across his brief, just saying.[/color]

Come on Ray ….

First of all Boris will NOT be doing the actual negotiations, he will simply ( not so simply actually ) be paving the way in conjunction with other EU leaders to reach a mutually acceptable settlement … in the knowledge that Boris will walk away if pushed.

Secondly I believe that Boris was right to bumble a tad around the detail, he would have been hopelessly wrong to discuss the finer points of a forthcoming negotiation with the likes of Andrew Mar.

Always play poker with your cards close to your chest ….. just saying

There's no more negotiations - the EU have made this clear until they are blue in the face. I know Johnson and his ilk are continue to propagate the myth they will negotiate another deal, but this is yet another unicorn that is being peddled. Johnson bumbled, because he was trying to deflect from the fact he's on a wing and a prayer.

[Gill W]

Just as an aside from Boris, I see nobody is even trying to pretend anymore that Brexit will be beneficial to the nation!

[Stephen]

I thought this was excellent. Well done that man who heckled.

Boris the dip stick, like all politicians couldn't answer a straight question if their lives depended on it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.3956126

[Ray Scully]

Just as an aside from Boris, I see nobody is even trying to pretend anymore that Brexit will be beneficial to the nation!

Interestingly a number of staunch leavers are holding their noses when it comes to Mr Johnson with some suggestion that the Party would have a better chance in a general election under the leadership of Mr Hunt.

[towny44]

Just as an aside from Boris, I see nobody is even trying to pretend anymore that Brexit will be beneficial to the nation!

Gill, if you look back to some of the earliest posts about this I have repeatedly disputed the claim made by many, including you and Jack, that nobody voted to be poorer. In fact just about everyone who voted had listened to and read the dire warnings from the remain camp that the UK would be poorer outside the EU, but despite these warnings leavers still felt it was a price worth paying to be free of the EU.
However monetary wealth is only one measure of a beneficial life.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Hunt either - but I find the prospect of him as PM less terrifying than Johnson.

The problem with Hunt is if he gets it we'll still be going round in circles in another 3 years.

If it's Boris either the Leavers will get their wish and we'll be gone. Or the Remainers will get their wish and we'll stay. Either way decided in the next 6 months. The worst option is uncertainty.

[Manoverboard]

There's no more negotiations - the EU have made this clear until they are blue in the face. I know Johnson and his ilk are continue to propagate the myth they will negotiate another deal, but this is yet another unicorn that is being peddled. Johnson bumbled, because he was trying to deflect from the fact he's on a wing and a prayer.

Whatever you may wish to think we will NOT be Remaining in the EU and yon ex Remainer Hunt will NOT be leading the Tory Party to its destruction. The old EU guard have stated their position quite clearly as you pointed out and are unable to move away from it but the new EU guard will not be allowed to sit on their hands while the UK walks away with their lucrative trade deals and approx £40,000,000 buy out clause.

My previous posting had a Contract Bridge connotation, a game of strategy and bluff of course .

[Stephen]

Moby for PM.....seconds?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Hear hear

[Stephen]

Passed.... you start Monday Moby

[Ray Scully]

There's no more negotiations - the EU have made this clear until they are blue in the face. I know Johnson and his ilk are continue to propagate the myth they will negotiate another deal, but this is yet another unicorn that is being peddled. Johnson bumbled, because he was trying to deflect from the fact he's on a wing and a prayer.

Whatever you may wish to think we will NOT be Remaining in the EU and yon ex Remainer Hunt will NOT be leading the Tory Party to its destruction. The old EU guard have stated their position quite clearly as you pointed out and are unable to move away from it but the new EU guard will not be allowed to sit on their hands while the UK walks away with their lucrative trade deals and approx £40,000,000 buy out clause.

My previous posting had a Contract Bridge connotation, a game of strategy and bluff of course .

A partial destruction of the Tory party could easily come about by Labour members voting for a deal very similar to Mrs May's. If that happened I can't see the ERG ideologues being able to remain, paradoxically IMHO this would make them considerably more electable.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Passed.... you start Monday Moby

Surely you're not giving him Sundays off?

[Ray Scully]

Moby for PM.....seconds?

I propose Barney

[Mervyn and Trish]

I propose to Barney

You old romantic. I doubt he'll accept.

[Stephen]

Passed.... you start Monday Moby

Surely you're not giving him Sundays off?

Only this week to rehearse the EU speech I prepared for him earlier...'Get stuffed we're off'

How does it sound. Have I held back a too much.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Passed.... you start Monday Moby

Surely you're not giving him Sundays off?

Only this week to rehearse the EU speech I prepared for him earlier...'Get stuffed we're off'

How does it sound. Have I held back a too much.

Hmmm. You are rather sitting on the fence.

[johnds]

I thought it was a car crash of an interview. However, every time Johnson is let loose, it’s a car crash. He’s revealed as a bluffing blustering bully, who is trying to ‘wing’ it.

It’s a truly horrifying and frightening thought that, in about 10 days time, this man could be our prime minister.

Good to see you being so cheerful again

[Manoverboard]

Passed.... you start Monday Moby

Surely you're not giving him Sundays off?

Only this week to rehearse the EU speech I prepared for him earlier...'Get stuffed we're off'

How does it sound. Have I held back a too much.

Exactly what we need in the new negotiating team … somebody who is decisive and succinct

ps … if I do start on Monday could I possibly have Wednesday off … nicely please

[Gill W]

I thought it was a car crash of an interview. However, every time Johnson is let loose, it’s a car crash. He’s revealed as a bluffing blustering bully, who is trying to ‘wing’ it.

It’s a truly horrifying and frightening thought that, in about 10 days time, this man could be our prime minister.

Good to see you being so cheerful again

Whereas positivity and a belief in unicorns will get us through?

I don't think so.

[Stephen]

Surely you're not giving him Sundays off?

Only this week to rehearse the EU speech I prepared for him earlier...'Get stuffed we're off'

How does it sound. Have I held back a too much.

Exactly what we need in the new negotiating team … somebody who is decisive and succinct

ps … if I do start on Monday could I possibly have Wednesday off … nicely please

Only if I get a note from your mum

[Manoverboard]

Only if I get a note from your mum

Got it … I'll dig her up in the morning