General Election

[david63]

who builds the wall?

Hadrian did a good job of it last time!

Perhaps we need a referendum to decide

[oldbluefox]

Hadrian did a good job of it last time!

Do you reckon the EU would send over a few Romans to patch it up?

[david63]

Do you reckon the EU would send over a few Romans to patch it up?

Only from the Scottish side

[Gill W]

I nearly posted a very rude reply to Gill W but restrained myself got to control my finger after a few red wines but I can assure that many in Scotland don't think she is trustworthy!!

Manoverboard said she appeared to be honest sounding.

Yet you single me out, when Manoverboard said something very similar.

Why would you behave like that?

That’s a rhetorical question, I don’t expect an answer.

However, it’s a perfect example of why I rarely bother with this board now.

[Gill W]

I nearly posted a very rude reply to Gill W but restrained myself got to control my finger after a few red wines but I can assure that many in Scotland don't think she is trustworthy!!

I think the figure at the last referendum was 55%, but Gill only believe that referendums are advisory, so I assume the 55% that voted to remain in the UK don't count in her world.

Yet another reason I don’t bother very much with this forum.

People insist on talking for me and telling me what I think.

To be honest, this forum is not a very nice place.

[Stephen]

Come on Gill, don't take everything so seriously and personal. We all have our own opinions on things, and we don't always agree, but its not the end of the world. Life's too short to worry about who said what and when to who.

[towny44]

I nearly posted a very rude reply to Gill W but restrained myself got to control my finger after a few red wines but I can assure that many in Scotland don't think she is trustworthy!!

I think the figure at the last referendum was 55%, but Gill only believe that referendums are advisory, so I assume the 55% that voted to remain in the UK don't count in her world.

Yet another reason I don’t bother very much with this forum.

People insist on talking for me and telling me what I think.

To be honest, this forum is not a very nice place.

Gill, if you are not prepared to have your views critiqued then it's best not to post them. I only stated what you have repeatedly posted, and criticised the leavers for not understanding.

[barney]

Any die hard remainer can only vote Libdem now that Labour are proposing a soft brexit or remain should they form a government.

In my opinion, soft brexit would walk it and we'd leave the EU while remaining in the Customs Union.

[screwy]

So we wouldn’t have actually left.!

[barney]

So we wouldn’t have actually left.!

Exactly.
But the question would be do you want the alternative of remain totally.
A Labour minority propped up by SNP and Libdems would mean another referendum.

[barney]

Who on earth advised Sturgeon to agree to the interview with Andrew Neil?
Talk about ripped a new one!

[Onelife]

Just goes to show she can talk the talk but when you scratch beneath the surface she's found wanting both in the quality of services under her leadership and in her independence propaganda ....she has just found out Andrew Neil is the master of scratching beneath the surface..

[Happydays]

I certainly don't want more "powers" to be given to the Scottish Government, they're made enough of a mess with what they already have!

[oldbluefox]

After that interview it occurred to me that our Nicola has not properly thought through the issue of independence.
With 80% of exports going to the UK I wonder if the HM Government will look favourably on Scotland after the animosity of SNP towards them over the past decade. Ms Sturgeon seemed to think it would be no problem. She seemed oblivious to her future relationship with the rest of the UK, the issues of currency and Scotland's deficit.
I hope the good people of Scotland were watching that because it was not what Nicola had been telling them.

[Onelife]

After that interview it occurred to me that our Nicola has not properly thought through the issue of independence.
With 80% of exports going to the UK I wonder if the HM Government will look favourably on Scotland after the animosity of SNP towards them over the past decade. Ms Sturgeon seemed to think it would be no problem. She seemed oblivious to her future relationship with the rest of the UK, the issues of currency and Scotland's deficit.
I hope the good people of Scotland were watching that because it was not what Nicola had been telling them.

let's hope so Foxy

[oldbluefox]

Andrew Neil:-
""You've called for legislation to protect the NHS from Donald Trump, maybe the NHS needs legislation to protect it from Nicola Sturgeon!"

[Happydays]

Andrew Neil:-
""You've called for legislation to protect the NHS from Donald Trump, maybe the NHS needs legislation to protect it from Nicola Sturgeon!"

Too true

[screwy]

Mice die in Mouse Traps because they don’t understand that Cheese is not free.! That’s the problem with Socialism.

[Onelife]

Mice die in Mouse Traps because they don’t understand that Cheese is not free.! That’s the problem with Socialism.

I'll squeak squeak to that

[david63]

Is it just me or is Labour totally missing the point of this election? The main thrust of this election, whether we like it/agree with it or not is Brexit. Everything else is incidental.

So Labour, if they are in a position to form a Government, will re-negotiate in three months a deal that has taken three years. Not only that they will include some form of being in the free trade agreement and the customs union - the two items that were taken off the table before any negotiations started.

Having done this re-negotiation and got the Utopian deal they will then put the deal in another referendum to the people of the UK - but, from what has been said, it will be "Remain" or "Leave on this deal" thereby splitting the leave vote and probably resulting in a Remain result.

However Mr Corbyn will not campaign one way or the other (it must get somewhat painful sitting on the fence!) so how are any prospective voters to know what Labour stand for? At least the Conservatives and Lib Dems, love them or loathe them, are absolutely clear about their respective positions on Brexit.

So the arch anti EU member for Islington runs the risk of not leaving the EU (and at the same time alienating 17million of the UK population) and not being able to carry out many of his policies due to being in violation of EU rules.

So what is Labour's plan B?

[barney]

Labour's negotiation with the EU will be to remain in the customs union, remain in the single market, continue free movement (more or less), continue to contribute and to continue the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.
so, basically what we have now except .. technically and legally being outside the EU.

This could be concluded in about ten minutes as it gives the EU everything they want.

The EU negotiators would have their arm off for that deal …. but … on top of that, another vote on whether the public want the softest of soft Brexit or to remain in.

By doing this, he thinks that he will not alienate either side of the argument.

It's a gamble, but one they are clearly willing to take.

My opinion is that , as I've said from the very beginning, this election is ALL about Brexit.
As much as any party wants to try and change the agenda, it will keep coming back in the minds of the voter.

There are many natural Tory voters who are staunch anti Brexit but when given the choice on the day, will still tick the blue box, given the Corbyn alternative.
There are many traditional Labour voters who will also bite their lip and vote to get Brexit done, either by the Tories or Brexit party.

The Libs will probably pick up the odd seat here and there and the odd protest vote, but not enough to make a difference to anything.

SNP will probably clean up in Scotland and the Greens will keep their one seat.

The polls currently predict and Tory majority of about 40 seats and I think that this will probably be about right.

Unless ……. there is some major disaster or some major cock up In between.

[david63]

By doing this, he thinks that he will not alienate either side of the argument.

But runs the risk of alienating both sides!

[screwy]

The scumbag alienates me with or without Brexit.!

[Stephen]

The scumbag alienates me with or without Brexit.!

[Onelife]

For gawd sake Neil......He doesn't know how he's going to pay for it.....indeed for anything!!!